NHL Entry Draft 2020 NHL Draft Discussion - Part VIII

[Icelevel]

You saying he doesn’t have elite agility or quickness doesn’t make it true. I have watched him a ton the last 2 years and seeing him turn and slide out of the corner or side boards which a quick move and 2 steps later he is in perfect scoring position.

Enough with the lazy bad skating narrative, Rossi is a better skater than Perfetti and both are good enough skaters to be NHL stars.

Yup hale is off on that assessment.

And some things to consider re Rossi, pageau is listed at 5’10 180lbs vs Rossi at 187lbs
I’m not sure pageau is actually 5’10”.
Also, guys like zuccarello(a decent comparison in some ways) at 5’08” do just fine.

 

[DJB]

I look at how well Konecny has adapted to the NHL and Rossi is a very similar player but with higher end skill.

However the questions about his skating for me still exist. Hes not Mark Stone poor or anything but I'd only consider it average to above average.

 

[DJB]

I still so really love Raymond. Such a smart and crafty player and has great offensive skills

 

[Agent Zub]

Thats a ridiculously innacurate take.

Quinn thinks the game very well on both sides of the puck. He adapts to the role on his line, finds the soft spots to score and is incredibly elusive on the rush. Despite his age he is early on in his development. Literally still growing and getting stronger with debatably the best shot in the draft.

Well I think he has the potential to score 30 goals at the NHL so it's not that I think he's daft.

Its just that there's a difference between guys who get 30 goal and 50/60 points and the guys who run powerplays and lead NHL teams in scoring.

Rossi has the hockey IQ that he might turn into the latter. Quinn's hockey IQ and passing are on a lower level comparatively.

 

[Agent Zub]

Yup hale is off on that assessment.

And some things to consider re Rossi, pageau is listed at 5’10 180lbs vs Rossi at 187lbs
I’m not sure pageau is actually 5’10”.
Also, guys like zuccarello(a decent comparison in some ways) at 5’08” do just fine.

Even Alfredsson was most likely 5 ft 10.

 

[bert]

Well I think he has the potential to score 30 goals at the NHL so it's not that I think he's daft.

Its just that there's a difference between guys who get 30 goal and 50/60 points and the guys who run powerplays and lead NHL teams in scoring.

Rossi has the hockey IQ that he might turn into the latter. Quinn's hockey IQ and passing are on a lower level comparatively.

Quinn has a higher ceiling than Rossi, more raw ability and is still developing while Rossi is far closer to a finished product. So I simply do not agree with this take. Quinn went from being the play maker on his line to the goal scorer because thats the role that was required. Rossi and Quinn are different skill sets but i dissagree completely that one has more high end ability in the package. Rossi has the superior vision no doubt but from an offensive toolset that might be the only raw skill he has on Quinn. He is stronger down low but will ge be in 5 years? Not sure.

Even Alfredsson was most likely 5 ft 10.

Alfredsson is atleast 2 inches taller than Rossi probably closer to 3 and weighed over 200 pounds. He is a far bigger man and had a way way way better shot.

 

[Micklebot]

Alfredsson is atleast 2 inches taller than Rossi probably closer to 3 and weighed over 200 pounds. He is a far bigger man and had a way way way better shot.

I mean, sure, was he 200 pds at his peak but was actually listed at 187 his rookie year (at least he was on his Fleer rookie card), at which point he was already 4 years older than Rossi is now. Not really a fair comparison looking at an 18 year old vs a guy in his mid 20s and later.

Not sure why Alfredsson even got brought up, they're not really similar players imo, but I'd love to get Rossi, I'm personally a bigger fan of him than Quinn, but to each their own.

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

Everyday I tell myself 25% chance at Laf.

also, if we get 5-6 I think it’s no brainer we pick Raymond-Holtz

Chemistry = check
One is a hound on the puck and all around elite playmaker = check
One is a prolific sniper and can dish it = Check
Both can skate really well = check
Both have shown exceptional ability = check (Raymond and Holtz broke scoring records for their age groups)
Both have shown they can play in pro league = check

 

[Micklebot]

Everyday I tell myself 25% chance at Laf.

also, if we get 5-6 I think it’s no brainer we pick Raymond-Holtz

Chemistry = check
One is a hound on the puck and all around elite playmaker = check
One is a prolific sniper and can dish it = Check
Both can skate really well = check
Both have shown exceptional ability = check (Raymond and Holtz broke scoring records for their age groups)
Both have shown they can play in pro league = check

At 5-6 I don't know that Raymond is a no brainer to be available.

If we end up 5-6, I think we take whichever of Raymond or Drysdale is left (assuming Laf, Byfield, and Stutzle are all gone).

After that, we get our pick of Perfetti, Holtz, Rossi, Sanderson and Lundell. The two that scream Ottawa picks the most imo are Sanderson and Lundell, but I'd go with Rossi, Holtz or Perfetti because I am biased towards elite skill. Lundell would be a great add, but I don't know, I want higher upside with a top 10 pick. I'd also be fine with Sanderson if we didn't get Drysdale, to be honest I don't see a lot of gap between these guys, so I won't nitpick one over the other.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Please don’t tell me you have Rossi over Byfield

Oh yah forgot about him... Highest scoring player ... how's that

 

[bert]

I mean, sure, was he 200 pds at his peak but was actually listed at 187 his rookie year (at least he was on his Fleer rookie card), at which point he was already 4 years older than Rossi is now. Not really a fair comparison looking at an 18 year old vs a guy in his mid 20s and later.

Not sure why Alfredsson even got brought up, they're not really similar players imo, but I'd love to get Rossi, I'm personally a bigger fan of him than Quinn, but to each their own.

I see alot of Rossi in Alfredsson, high end two way hockey IQ, not overly fast, compete and extremely elite puck skills while being effective but not overly flashy. Dont think he will ever have Alfies shot or will be able to be as physical as his body just isnt as big.

Rossi at this age is very far along in his physical development curve, thats personally why I wonder how much better he can get.

I think Rossi and Quinn are very close, along with Perfetti I think they are all very similar level of prospects. Each has their strengths and weakness's in comparison to one another. I dont think anyone can say definitively who will be better later on and if I was picking in that range I wouldnt be sad or upset with taking any of the three. I do think Quinn is underated in general, however if you do listen to the people that have watched Quinn alot they all have him in the same tier as Rossi and Perfetti.

Everyday I tell myself 25% chance at Laf.

also, if we get 5-6 I think it’s no brainer we pick Raymond-Holtz

Chemistry = check
One is a hound on the puck and all around elite playmaker = check
One is a prolific sniper and can dish it = Check
Both can skate really well = check
Both have shown exceptional ability = check (Raymond and Holtz broke scoring records for their age groups)
Both have shown they can play in pro league = check

I would be so dissapointed if they ended up with 5,6. I think there is a significant drop off after 5.

I personally cant take two wingers there, id take a D or a centerman to go with Raymond. When the players are his close like they are in that tier especially considering where the sens current prospect strength is lacking (C and D) they would have to take one.

At 5-6 I don't know that Raymond is a no brainer to be available.

If we end up 5-6, I think we take whichever of Raymond or Drysdale is left (assuming Laf, Byfield, and Stutzle are all gone).

After that, we get our pick of Perfetti, Holtz, Rossi, Sanderson and Lundell. The two that scream Ottawa picks the most imo are Sanderson and Lundell, but I'd go with Rossi, Holtz or Perfetti because I am biased towards elite skill. Lundell would be a great add, but I don't know, I want higher upside with a top 10 pick. I'd also be fine with Sanderson if we didn't get Drysdale, to be honest I don't see a lot of gap between these guys, so I won't nitpick one over the other.

I agree with this.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Everyday I tell myself 25% chance at Laf.

also, if we get 5-6 I think it’s no brainer we pick Raymond-Holtz

Chemistry = check
One is a hound on the puck and all around elite playmaker = check
One is a prolific sniper and can dish it = Check
Both can skate really well = check
Both have shown exceptional ability = check (Raymond and Holtz broke scoring records for their age groups)
Both have shown they can play in pro league = check

Assuming the top 3 are Lafreniere, Byfield, Stutzle
Who goes 4th?

I would go this way
If Rossi, Raymond are available 5,6 .. I think that's the no brainer.

If Rossi is gone... Raymond , Drysdale or Raymond, Perfetti
If Raymond is gone; Rossi , Drysdale or Rossi, Perfetti
If they go Raymond, Holtz or Rossi, Holtz I certainly could live with that

I personally would not elevate anyone else into the top 7.

 

[Speatleysson]

Everyday I tell myself 25% chance at Laf.

also, if we get 5-6 I think it’s no brainer we pick Raymond-Holtz

Chemistry = check
One is a hound on the puck and all around elite playmaker = check
One is a prolific sniper and can dish it = Check
Both can skate really well = check
Both have shown exceptional ability = check (Raymond and Holtz broke scoring records for their age groups)
Both have shown they can play in pro league = check

Would also love Raymond-Holtz. Our own Sedins

 

[BondraTime]

Raymond-Holtz would be about the worst case scenario for me. Still a very good draft, but it is a worst case scenario for me, barring some very off the board picks.

 

[Bubba Pilks]

Raymond-Holtz would be about the worst case scenario for me. Still a very good draft, but it is a worst case scenario for me, barring some very off the board picks.

Feel the same way. I have them at 6&7.

If you told me at the beginning of the season, I would have elated.

If you told me 3 weeks ago with the worst case of 3-4, I would have been pissed.

If it happens now at 5-6, I'll be ok with it, even if I would pick differently.

 

[FormentonTheFuture]

I look at how well Konecny has adapted to the NHL and Rossi is a very similar player but with higher end skill.

However the questions about his skating for me still exist. Hes not Mark Stone poor or anything but I'd only consider it average to above average.

and where's Konecny? on the wing.

 

[Micklebot]

and where's Konecny? on the wing.

But he was always a winger, it's not like in order to adapt to the NHL he had to shift to a different position.

It's certainly true that most smaller centers end up on the wing in the NHL, but you do have guys like Point, Domi, and Johnson who are effective, oh and Pageau as more of a defensive specialist.

 

[FormentonTheFuture]

But he was always a winger, it's not like in order to adapt to the NHL he had to shift to a different position.

It's certainly true that most smaller centers end up on the wing in the NHL, but you do have guys like Point, Domi, and Johnson who are effective, oh and Pageau as more of a defensive specialist.

Other than Point, you don't want a 5th overall pick becoming any of those players.

I believe Konecny played C in junior.

 

[DJB]

and where's Konecny? on the wing.

True but like Mickle has alluded to Konecny seemed destined to play the wing.

I've compared Rossi often to Giroux because of the way he plays. Very similar guys who like to play the left side and control the puck on the pp as well.

Wouldn't surprise me to see Rossi play both C and W in the NHL. Versatility isnt a negative

 

[FormentonTheFuture]

True but like Mickle has alluded to Konecny seemed destined to play the wing.

I've compared Rossi often to Giroux because of the way he plays. Very similar guys who like to play the left side and control the puck on the pp as well.

Wouldn't surprise me to see Rossi play both C and W in the NHL. Versatility isnt a negative

it's not a negative, but I hope we land a surefire #1C this draft.

If we pick Rossi I'll fully support him. I'm just a bit worried by him compared to others.

 

[Micklebot]

Other than Point, you don't want a 5th overall pick becoming any of those players.

That has more to do with the general scarcity of elite players 5'10 and under in the NHL, there are only about 70 players listed at 5'10 or less, off the top of my head, Point, Kane, and Marchand are the only ones who've turned into players I'd be happy to have drafted in the top 5.

I believe Konecny played C in junior.

He was always listed as a winger for the 67's, where he played most of the time I'm not sure, but I've seen a few images of him lining up on the wing at a faceoff. You may be right that he played center, I'm not 100% sure, but he definitely played wing as well.

 

[Six Assets]

If we are likely to pick 4/5, i would like perfetti and raymond. Not sure if the sens would draft 2 smaller wingers.

If we go with a D, Sanderson is easily the best fit choice with his all-round abilities and high potential. We could also move Brannstrom over to the right side, where he looked the best and is most comfortable.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

If we are likely to pick 4/5, i would like perfetti and raymond. Not sure if the sens would draft 2 smaller wingers.

If we go with a D, Sanderson is easily the best fit choice with his all-round abilities and high potential. We could also move Brannstrom over to the right side, where he looked the best and is most comfortable.

I would use Brannstrom as trade bait to a team up against the cap that see his unbound potential in a package for a good young established player.

 

[GCK]

and where's Konecny? on the wing.

Konecny was never the Centre Rossi is. There is no aspect of TKs game during his junior career that compares. Rossi is literally better at everything at this point than TK was.

 

[GCK]

it's not a negative, but I hope we land a surefire #1C this draft.

If we pick Rossi I'll fully support him. I'm just a bit worried by him compared to others.

Who are your surefire #1Cs in this draft.