Draft 2020 Draft & Undrafted Free Agent Thread: Part VII

[Trxjw]

Everyone’s been talking about the best picks @ #22OA, what about the worst?

The worst pick is whatever somewhat unknown player the Rangers take if/when someone we've talked about a lot around here is still left on the board. Same way people freaked out over taking Lundkvist over Bode Wilde.

...or how I freaked out a bit when they took Chytil over Kostin. Whoops.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

The worst pick is whatever somewhat unknown player the Rangers take if/when someone we've talked about a lot around here is still left on the board. Same way people freaked out over taking Lundkvist over Bode Wilde.

I was good with Lundkvist but man was I steaming when they took Lindbolm in the 2nd round over Wilde and than he goes to the Islanders a few picks later

 

[broadwayblue]

The worst pick is whatever somewhat unknown player the Rangers take if/when someone we've talked about a lot around here is still left on the board. Same way people freaked out over taking Lindbom over Bode Wilde.

...or how I freaked out a bit when they took Chytil over Kostin. Whoops.

Fixed it for you.

 

[Trxjw]

I was good with Lundkvist but man was I steaming when they took Lindbolm in the 2nd round over Wilde and than he goes to the Islanders a few picks later

I think we all were pretty confused by that one. Funnily enough Wilde has looked incredibly mediocre as a pro while had the Rangers really been as nepotistic as people claim they could've wound up with Jack Drury.

 

[Trxjw]

Fixed it for you.

2nd round vs 1st but I think it shows just how much of a crap shoot all of this is. Especially as armchair scouts. You can go back virtually every year and see a guy that the posters around here loved that ended up being a bust while the guy the Rangers took ended up being a pretty solid player and you can find the exact opposite as well.

 

[nsvoyageurs]

Connor Zary
Dylan Holloway
Jacob Perreault
Justin Barron

And I am going back and forth on the 2 German kids. I'm hesitant to put too much emphasis on their production in DEL since it's a weaker league

I wouldn't mind Holloway or Perreault at 22. Zary, no thank you. Barron, considering the depth on right defence and injury/blood clot issue, would be a head scratcher.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

I wouldn't mind Holloway or Perreault at 22. Zary, no thank you. Barron, considering the depth on right defence and injury/blood clot issue, would be a head scratcher.

Yeah, this is me too. Though I'd probably be more enthused for Holloway than most.

Re: Zary, my distaste is mostly predicated on the fact that 1) he's older, 2) his skating is underwhelming, 3) and I've read reports that doubt he's got much more room to grow. And while that might still translate to an 8-10 year bottom 6 career, I want them to use the 22OA (if they keep it) on someone who can be more dynamic (even if also in a bottom 6 role).

Barron would just be weird given the position and the health concern. Even if you love him, trade back to get him.

 

[gravey9]

Yeah, this is me too. Though I'd probably be more enthused for Holloway than most.

Re: Zary, my distaste is mostly predicated on the fact that 1) he's older, 2) his skating is underwhelming, 3) and I've read reports that doubt he's got much more room to grow. And while that might still translate to an 8-10 year bottom 6 career, I want them to use the 22OA (if they keep it) on someone who can be more dynamic (even if also in a bottom 6 role).

Barron would just be weird given the position and the health concern. Even if you love him, trade back to get him.

I agree. The one thing I haven't like about quite a few of the mid-late first round options is a combo of average or just below average height mixed with decent but not great skating. Combine that with being more finesse than high motor and I'm not terribly enthused by the vast majority. Is there a Stepan in there? Likely, but which one? I keep leaning towards Holloway for his size and skating or I want Grieg or Khusnutdinov for their motors.

 

[Edge]

I agree. The one thing I haven't like about quite a few of the mid-late first round options is a combo of average or just below average height mixed with decent but not great skating. Combine that with being more finesse than high motor and I'm not terribly enthused by the vast majority. Is there a Stepan in there? Likely, but which one? I keep leaning towards Holloway for his size and skating or I want Grieg or Khusnutdinov for their motors.

The challenge for all of us to remember with later first round picks is that there are either more flaws or questions marks associated with them. So there's almost always a height issue, or a skating issue, or a defensive issue, or an effort issue, or an upside issue, or some other element that causes unease.

That's going to be as true for someone we take with the 22nd pick as it was for guys like Miller, Lundkvist, Chytil, Kreider, Skjei, Howden, and Lemieux. All of those guys were taken in the late first/early second at picks 22, 28, 21, 19, 27, 28 and 31. And there's a reason each of them was there in the first place.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

The challenge for all of us to remember with later first round picks is that there are either more flaws or questions marks associated with them. So there's almost always a height issue, or a skating issue, or a defensive issue, or an effort issue, or an upside issue, or some other element that causes unease.

That's going to be as true for someone we take with the 22nd pick as it was for guys like Miller, Lundkvist, Chytil, Kreider, Skjei, Howden, and Lemieux. All of those guys were taken in the late first/early second at picks 22, 28, 21, 19, 27, 28 and 31. And there's a reason each of them was there in the first place.

Oh, for sure. The question is degree and type of flaw one would rather have.

 

[Joey Bones]

SKA has an unfortunate Covid exposure in house, so Khusnutdinov makes his KHL debut on the 3rd line today.

Also, a quick and slick primary for Lundell here....

 

[Joey Bones]

Holloway is by no means a bad pick at No. 22. Y'all are over stating the negatives (or actually the uncertainty) with him. At very worst he's an edgy bottom-6 center/wing with his size, grind and speed combo. He'll also throw his weight around and talks smack to opponents. Let's see if he can work on the offensive game in his development before stating he'd be a bad pick. He's done nothing to take himself out of the 1st round.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Holloway is by no means a bad pick at No. 22. Y'all are over stating the negatives (or actually the uncertainty) with him. At very worst he's an edgy bottom-6 center/wing with his size, grind and speed combo. He'll also throw his weight around and talks smack to opponents. Let's see if he can work on the offensive game in his development before stating he'd be a bad pick. He's done nothing to take himself out of the 1st round.

I'd say thats his most likely projection, not the worst case.

But there are guys who have a similar profile and may not have the pedigree/hype available who will be available later who do those grindy things better than Holloway does. Holloway doesn't have a ton of physical maturation ahead of him either so what you see is likely what you're going to get.

 

[effen]

Holloway is by no means a bad pick at No. 22. Y'all are over stating the negatives (or actually the uncertainty) with him. At very worst he's an edgy bottom-6 center/wing with his size, grind and speed combo. He'll also throw his weight around and talks smack to opponents. Let's see if he can work on the offensive game in his development before stating he'd be a bad pick. He's done nothing to take himself out of the 1st round.

At worst he looks a lot like Tanner Glass. While that's not likely he does remind me a lot of Colton Gillies and that's not a good thing.

 

[Edge]

Detroit News mock has Rangers taking Greig at 22.

Mile High Hockey has the pick as Zary.

Raw Charge has the pick as Mysak.

 

[Polar Bear]

Do you think we will hear from JD or Gorton before the draft?

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Do you think we will hear from JD or Gorton before the draft?

Probably.

We'll hear from Clark before as well. We won't get anything for a little while though.

 

[Edge]

Do you think we will hear from JD or Gorton before the draft?

The usual canned response about being excited for the opportunity, doing their homework, etc.

 

[Polar Bear]

The usual canned response about being excited for the opporunity, doing their homework, etc.

Would be nice if they just could come out and say, yes we're taking Laf. I know they won't say that though lol.

 

[Polar Bear]

Probably.

We'll hear from Clark before as well. We won't get anything for a little while though.

Totally forgot about Clark! lol

 

[Harbour Dog]

The usual canned response about being excited for the opporunity, doing their homework, etc.

I fully expect Gorton to come out wearing 20 pounds of bling and to keep sprinkling in observations of how other teams "be hatin'", with regards to our lottery win.

 

[Edge]

I fully expect Gorton to come out wearing 20 pounds of bling and keep sprinkling in observations of how other teams "be hatin'", with regards to our lottery win.

The moment that everyone knows Gorton has lost his mind. Also known as the moment every Rangers fan on these boards has a panic attack.

 

[gravey9]

The challenge for all of us to remember with later first round picks is that there are either more flaws or questions marks associated with them. So there's almost always a height issue, or a skating issue, or a defensive issue, or an effort issue, or an upside issue, or some other element that causes unease.

That's going to be as true for someone we take with the 22nd pick as it was for guys like Miller, Lundkvist, Chytil, Kreider, Skjei, Howden, and Lemieux. All of those guys were taken in the late first/early second at picks 22, 28, 21, 19, 27, 28 and 31. And there's a reason each of them was there in the first place.

I totally agree. I think, in this draft, and given the talent we've already amassed, I'd be putting my chips down on a player with a high motor who profiles middle six like Grieg, Khusnutdinov, Holloway or the D version -- Wallinder (if he's still there). I'm looking for a complimentary piece that, if everything falls into place, becomes more than complimentary.

There's less motivation I think in drafting a kid who projects as a top 6 or bust. When we drafted Buch, DuClair or Day that philosophy made a ton more sense. Our cupboard was bare. And our draft picks few.

But now, if I'm betting I want someone who doesn't become a redundant kid who might be blocked by other pure skill/finesse. Unless I'm really excited and confident that a guy is being seriously under-drafted. Like if Jarvis or Mercer fall maybe there's a different conversation. Maybe Amirov and Gunler change that calculation, I dunno.

But I am excited to draft a Grieg if he has any potential to be a Gallagher or even a Marchand. That's a guy we don't have and wouldn't be redundant anywhere in our lineup regardless of whether or not he hits/exceeds his projected ceiling.

 

[JCProdigy]

The moment that everyone knows Gorton has lost his mind. Also known as the moment every Rangers fan on these boards has a panic attack.

Pfft...this is the HF New York Rangers board. We're always in a state of panic.

 

[RangersFan1994]

Holloway is by no means a bad pick at No. 22. Y'all are over stating the negatives (or actually the uncertainty) with him. At very worst he's an edgy bottom-6 center/wing with his size, grind and speed combo. He'll also throw his weight around and talks smack to opponents. Let's see if he can work on the offensive game in his development before stating he'd be a bad pick. He's done nothing to take himself out of the 1st round.

even if Holloway is a Dubinsky lite at the end of the day I’ll take it. Would that be a good comparison???