Speculation: 2020-2021 Sharks Roster Discussion Part 9

[TheBeard]

The only contract I would consider trading for Bobrovsky is Karlsson. Even then it's only to get a little cap space and out of the contract 1 year sooner.

Not worth it simply because Bob offers absolutely nothing at this point while Karlsson still can contribute. He’d probably revert back close to his offensively dominant self in Florida with the competence they have there thus making the trade look even more embarrassing.

 

[seroes]

Not worth it simply because Bob offers absolutely nothing at this point while Karlsson still can contribute. He’d probably revert back close to his offensively dominant self in Florida with the competence they have there thus making the trade look even more embarrassing.

While I agree with how useless Bobrovsky is I am coming at this from a rebuilding perspective. I do not think adding a stop gap goalie or a 3C will miraculously improve this team to a contender. Perhaps not even a bubble playoff team. Getting out from these contracts as soon as possible is the best thing for us.

I also disagree about Karlsson. I think he is going to continue to regress, partially due to injuries and partially due to his slow starts every year. Those bad starts are going to get longer and longer and the defensive miscues will continue.

Having any extra space at all will help us when we are ready especially since we may get a future asset for this trade.

All that being said this is probably a moot point. Doesn't Bobrovsky have an NMC? If memory serves I don't think he is willing to waive. Karlsson may not either.

 

[TheBeard]

While I agree with how useless Bobrovsky is I am coming at this from a rebuilding perspective. I do not think adding a stop gap goalie or a 3C will miraculously improve this team to a contender. Perhaps not even a bubble playoff team. Getting out from these contracts as soon as possible is the best thing for us.

I also disagree about Karlsson. I think he is going to continue to regress, partially due to injuries and partially due to his slow starts every year. Those bad starts are going to get longer and longer and the defensive miscues will continue.

Having any extra space at all will help us when we are ready especially since we may get a future asset for this trade.

All that being said this is probably a moot point. Doesn't Bobrovsky have an NMC? If memory serves I don't think he is willing to waive. Karlsson may not either.

It’s mind-boggling how much Bob’s career mirrored Bryzgalov’s.

I think a better PP in FL alone will make up a lot of those lost numbers for Erik. Imagine him out there with Barkov, Huberdeau and Tippett?

I do think most teams will see that shoddy team play seems to follow Erik around though. Ottawa mostly struggled with him and he’s now been on two awful Sharks teams in the three he’s been there. Don’t know of any team out there that would risk that kind of dissension for that price unless they’re tanking themselves.

Something about Erik just seems to kill culture. I don’t know if he’s a locker room cancer but he definitely strikes me as someone teammates don’t want to hang around with if they didn’t have to. Just a feeling I get.

 

[tealzamboni]

Nothing annoys me more about sports fandom than people acting like armchair psychologists using random tidbits to tell a story about particular players.

Patty Marleau's dad jokes caused cultural issues in the locker room.

 

[Hodge]

Not worth it simply because Bob offers absolutely nothing at this point while Karlsson still can contribute. He’d probably revert back close to his offensively dominant self in Florida with the competence they have there thus making the trade look even more embarrassing.

Bob can be bought out in 2024 for just under $7 million total. I would consider that trade if Karlsson has another season like this one.

If we traded Karlsson for Bobrovsky next summer and bought out both Bob and Vlasic in summer 2024 we would be out of cap hell a lot sooner than expected, and right as the salary cap should actually start going back up too.

 

[Jargon]

It’s mind-boggling how much Bob’s career mirrored Bryzgalov’s.

I think a better PP in FL alone will make up a lot of those lost numbers for Erik. Imagine him out there with Barkov, Huberdeau and Tippett?

I do think most teams will see that shoddy team play seems to follow Erik around though. Ottawa mostly struggled with him and he’s now been on two awful Sharks teams in the three he’s been there. Don’t know of any team out there that would risk that kind of dissension for that price unless they’re tanking themselves.

Something about Erik just seems to kill culture. I don’t know if he’s a locker room cancer but he definitely strikes me as someone teammates don’t want to hang around with if they didn’t have to. Just a feeling I get.

I mean, with EK they got close to the finals if it wasn’t for injuries. The last two years they lost the heart of their team in Pavs and then in Joe Thornton - that’s going to do more damage than Karlsson.

Also, they all seem to chat and laugh and talk to him on the bench just fine. He seemed to even be the one presenting Patty the painting the team got him which seemed to me like a weird thing to do for a person no one gets along with.

I do hope that Karlsson takes this summer to train like a madman and get into a good physical shape. I think his slow starts equate to bad training.

 

[thrillermiller89]

Not unless FLA adds a 1st round pick on top of it. Get another bad player and spend an extra $1.5 million in the process.

That’s fair, I see your point.

 

[TheBeard]

Also, they all seem to chat and laugh and talk to him on the bench just fine. He seemed to even be the one presenting Patty the painting the team got him which seemed to me like a weird thing to do for a person no one gets along with.

That's why I said when they don't have to. I think Erik tries to be a leader but it comes off not as he hoped. Again, all just a feeling I get. It probably works better when the team is winning, but I can envision a lot of eye-rolling when he talks. Maybe I'm wrong. Dunno. Who cares?

 

[AlphaPred]

The only contract I would consider trading for Bobrovsky is Karlsson. Even then it's only to get a little cap space and out of the contract 1 year sooner.

See I would rather do that too instead of Vlasic. I just don' think Karlsson is as committed to winning in San Jose as Vlasic is. I haven't seen Vlasic quit on a play like I've seen a few times this year out of Karlsson. You can't have someone wearing an "A" doing that stuff on the ice and I think that's what Boughner was referring to in his end of year press conference about holding all players accountable, not just the lower tier roster guys.

Vlasic at least tries when he's out on the ice, even though at this stage at that number it's not good enough.

 

[CupfortheSharks]

Something about Erik just seems to kill culture. I don’t know if he’s a locker room cancer but he definitely strikes me as someone teammates don’t want to hang around with if they didn’t have to. Just a feeling I get.

I have the same feeling. No proof, I just get that impression. I think he is that catalyst of the locker room problems.

 

[PacificOceanPotion]

The feeling i get is if this was an issue and guys felt EK was pompous, arrogant, flippant or otherwise lacking true team building, team oriented behaviors, it would be palpable and would have come to light sooner. I get the feeling he's a guy who does care, he does want to win, he gets frustrated the team isn't getting the results. I get the feeling he wants to improve and wants to see the guys upbeat, not down and negative. I think, if he was speaking to the room it would be coming from a place of being constructive, not toxic. Thats my feeling. What do I know.

 

[magic school bus]

Despite the down year, Meier proved he can score 30/30 in the NHL. His value is at LEAST a Top 10 pick (on par with where he was drafted) if not higher since he’s a proven commodity. His draft pedigree, age, and contract/term should help aid in this value as well.

Sure, until you look at the dumb contract our gm gave him.

 

[seroes]

See I would rather do that too instead of Vlasic. I just don' think Karlsson is as committed to winning in San Jose as Vlasic is. I haven't seen Vlasic quit on a play like I've seen a few times this year out of Karlsson. You can't have someone wearing an "A" doing that stuff on the ice and I think that's what Boughner was referring to in his end of year press conference about holding all players accountable, not just the lower tier roster guys.

Vlasic at least tries when he's out on the ice, even though at this stage at that number it's not good enough.

Don't know if I would say that. He seems mentally checked out. He just isn't facing top competition anymore se he doesn't get exposed as much.

 

[TheBeard]

The feeling i get is if this was an issue and guys felt he was pompous, arrogant, flippant or otherwise lacking true team building, team oriented behaviors, it would be palpable and would have come to light sooner. I get the feeling he's a guy who does care, he does want to win, he gets frustrated the team isn't getting the results. I get the feeling he wants to improve and wants to see the guys upbeat, not down and negative. I think, if he was speaking to the room it would be coming from a place of being constructive, not toxic. Thats my feeling. What do I know.

None of us know but the audacity of some of the snobs here to declare what they think as the only plausible explanation is proof of why the Sharks fan base is so hated by others.

 

[TheBeard]

Sure, until you look at the dumb contract our gm gave him.

4/24 really wasn’t a bad deal at the time. 22, coming off a 30 goal season. A boatload of other RFAs like Marner,Rantanen, Point all about to get paid.

 

[PacificOceanPotion]

None of us know but the audacity of some of the snobs here to declare what they think as the only plausible explanation is proof of why the Sharks fan base is so hated by others.

Oh really..

 

[magic school bus]

4/24 really wasn’t a bad deal at the time. 22, coming off a 30 goal season. A boatload of other RFAs like Marner,Rantanen, Point all about to get paid.

Look closer at the way it's structured and his qualifying number

 

[TheBeard]

Look closer at the way it's structured and his qualifying number

Yeah it sucks now but he didn’t live up to his end.

 

[TheBeard]

Oh really..

Did I stutter?

 

[magic school bus]

Yeah it sucks now but he didn’t live up to his end.

I don't think you get it. He's basically a UFA in 2 yrs unless you want to pay him $10M.

 

[PacificOceanPotion]

Did I stutter?

Possibly. I just thought others hated us because of the 12 Stanley cup banners and 22 HOF'ers we had to brag and boast about. Would you like to continue discussing the roster?

 

[TheBeard]

I don't think you get it. He's basically a UFA in 2 yrs unless you want to pay him $10M.

No, I get it. The plan was to hopefully resign him to another long term deal prior to the end of this four year one and this was his insurance policy, the cap hit’s the same regardless, it’s a question of whether or not Hasso wants to pay him.

 

[TheBeard]

Possibly. I just thought others hated us because of the 12 Stanley cup banners and 22 HOF'ers we had to brag and boast about. Would you like to continue discussing the roster?

Um... ok?

 

[seroes]

I don't think you get it. He's basically a UFA in 2 yrs unless you want to pay him $10M.

But the way he is playing now losing won't be a crippling blow. Declining for the 2nd year in a row and major warts starting to appear in his game. If he declines further then trading him for what we can instead of paying him for what may have been an outlier season 2 years ago seems wise.

 

[thrillermiller89]

I don't think you get it. He's basically a UFA in 2 yrs unless you want to pay him $10M.

I don’t think you need to pay him $10 million on the qualifying offer (1 year deal) if you can work out an extension next year (if he wants long term security he’d do another $6-7 million per year multi year deal.. if he wants to do what Hall did then yeah he can play for one year at $10 million and if he continues to be a 30 point player then he will likely be getting a $3 million deal with us or another team)