Speculation: 2019 Trade Deadline
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I like Donato a lot too but I'd expect a higher pick in return. Nyquist is way better than Coyle
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I said either shouldn't have signed at all or signed for a year or two too long.
Vanek is a guy he signed thinking he could trade at this deadline and it doesn't look like he'll get it done. Moreover, he's already indicated that everyone who he can't trade, he wants to re-sign. So there's a guy he shouldn't have gotten in the first place who may also fall into the year or two too long category when all is said and done.
Green is almost in the same boat. His intent was to trade him. It didn't happen, so he signed him for two more years. Almost made sense.
Daley should have only been signed to an extent where he would still have trade value at the end of his contract, not beyond it. This is a rebuilding team after all. Or supposedly.
I will admit that those are all examples of some of Kenny's best contracts, but that's also what's hilarious and sad.
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As you point out, though, Coyle is still signed for another and very cheaply. I don't think he's on Nyquist's level, but he's not far off. If teams are going to deal a guy like Coyle for that, buyers have no reason to go after Nyquist. This isn't just about what would be a good deal for Nyquist, but that I think Minny sold low on Coyle, undercutting the market for Nyquist.
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I wouldnt call Donato just a modest prospect. Hes not a top tier, Zadina level guy but hes still a fairly high end, top 6 potential forward. Coyle isnt as good as Nyquist (I know he has an extra year) but thats still a pretty good haul for Minny
Edit: I was thinking of Heinen when I read this. Donato is still probably a little above modest though. Hes 22 already though so I wouldnt have a tonne of interest in him
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Is it for certain Nyquist trade value decreased? Ken Holland's M.O. is to wait the clock out for a last minute desperate offer. I expect this season to be no different.
That's not to say it works this time, but I'd rather keep Nyquist over a crappy 2nd pick that likely won't pan out anyhow.
That's not to say it works this time, but I'd rather keep Nyquist over a crappy 2nd pick that likely won't pan out anyhow.
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I think there are a couple elements at play here. Firstly, Nyquist can veto trade choices himself due to his contract. Secondly, teams want to see what happens with Panarin and Stone, before trading for Nyquist. And thirdly, the impression seems to be that this deadline, there are more players worth firsts than there are teams willing to part from firsts. So we'll see what happens with Nyquist. In a vacuum, Nyquist is obviously worth a first round pick. Will he return that is another question.
I think Jensen is as good as gone
Buy now I am not so sure about Nyquist. If we cant get a 1st I feel he will stay and be resigned for 5 more years.
Hopefully if that's the case we move out another body or two from the more unexpected to be traded list, ie vanek, helm, daley, kronwall, Glenny, dekeyser
Buy now I am not so sure about Nyquist. If we cant get a 1st I feel he will stay and be resigned for 5 more years.
Hopefully if that's the case we move out another body or two from the more unexpected to be traded list, ie vanek, helm, daley, kronwall, Glenny, dekeyser
On the 31 Thoughts podcast, Friedman said that Holland will wait as long as possible to get the right deal. I still think someone blows him away with an offer for Jensen prior to Monday, but Gus and Howard will be Monday afternoon decisions.
Also Friedman randomly threw out Helm as someone he wondered about being dealt.
Also Friedman randomly threw out Helm as someone he wondered about being dealt.
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Or maybe he already did.
Or maybe Helm saw the new Jim Howard skidoo and saw the writing on the wall.
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Helm's NTC may be voided at the 2019-20 NHL Trade deadline, if player is not in the Top 9 F in TOI, or if team does not qualify for the playoffs
I think he could get moved to a playoff team needing help on the 3rd line, like Toronto or San Jose.
I think he could get moved to a playoff team needing help on the 3rd line, like Toronto or San Jose.
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We’d almost surely have to retain some significant salary on that one. Which would be on the books for two more years - something I have zero problem with. But that would be a big hurdle in dealing Helm I would think.
What else are family friends for? Going in together on recreational vehicles and meeting up at the cottage for a weekend of drinking and bingo.
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Right and that's what I'm saying. Helm saw that Jimmy got a brand new ride which is awesome and he thinks that his best friend is going to leave so he wants out but won't say why.
Aka the Full House theory.
Pretty soon, we're going to have Danny DeKeyser eating frozen water sickles and complaining to his dog about how dogs don't have to look skinny in bathing suits and Miss Bertuzzi's haircuts where he'll accidentally cut Athanasiou's hair and he'll be so distraught that he'll get into a motorcycle wreck and he will feel really guilty.
All the while Abby will be on hand and everyone will just want him gone.
And all of this will be resolved on trade deadline day when Blashill sits down Helm for a heartfelt chat that just because Holland is friends with Howard too doesn't mean that he likes Helm any less.
E: And yes, I did watch way too much Full House growing up. Damn TGIF and your family-friendly television in the late 80s-early 1990s.
Helm's contract is honestly not that bad. It's like right in that zone where if you are signing them, it's on the higher end of what you want to pay him, but it's not unreasonable. But on the opposite side, you look at it as a buyer and think that he would be nice to add, but for the cost you take on, and the price you will have to pay, you just aren't all that interested.
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Not sure if many caught it but at the intermission last night, Bob Mackenzie basically said Jensen is as good as gone. He said theyve talked about contracts but at this point hes pretty much for sure getting traded.
Last year at the trade deadline Boston was looking at Helm I remember. Some teams would have interest and this year hes got less time left on his contract. Boston wanted Detroit to take back Belesky though which was a no go last year. Helm has more value around the leaue than some people think, I think.
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According to TSN trade bait tracker the wings have 4 players in the top 30. Hopefully they all get moved. If we cant get 2019 first for Howard and Nyquist why not ask for 2020 first?
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Quite simply he has logged too many minutes. Howard is due to break down any game. He started 60 games last season, something he hadn't done since age 26 way back in 10/11. He's on pace for the upper 50s. He cannot sustain that workload. The AS nod was a terrible selection for his durability. Any GM out there worth his salt has to know this guy is due for IR.
Yah I agree, Howard is not gonna get moved.
He cant sustain high level goaltending for an entire season.
He either gets hurt of his play falls off from where it was.
He cant sustain high level goaltending for an entire season.
He either gets hurt of his play falls off from where it was.
Vegas would be a perfect fit for Howard. Let him give Flower more breaks heading into the playoffs.
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