I like how Liverpool fans are now downplaying Coutinho's ability.
I've always downplayed his ability. I've also always taken him in our drafts, but a player can still be nowhere near as good as people think they are and I'd take them in a fantasy team. There were people here posting on this forum who argued a Salah vs. Coutinho argument before Salah had played for Liverpool. I argued in favor of Salah and they argued the opposite. Clear who's right now but I'd rather not out them. Let's bring it back some years here.
Coutinho being good enough to play for Barcelona.
Speaks for itself. You can look at the date but it's before there was ever a transfer or rumor.
I'd sell Coutinho to PSG given that he didn't play his best once Klopp showed up, but I think I'd ask for a lot more money for him. He's not worth more, but PSG has it to pay.
Summer 2016. The offer wasn't even for a lot.
Rodgers completely changed the playing style around Benteke and the team went down the toilet. Pretty big difference there.
This team is nowhere near top four level and still there, and there's still people complaining about Klopp. So I find this conversation very amusing. If you have a player as good as you say Coutinho and Firmino are, you can't blame the manager for the team not being able to break down other sides. That is their job. And this conversation is being had while the best player at the club and the best midfielder there has been injured for months.
So, wrong about Firmino, but more proof I've always felt this way about Coutinho.
Then, in summer of 2017, I say that he's a great player. Which he is but that applies to about 100 players. Then I also say this.
The circumstances in which Coutinho would be sold this summer (130-150 million pounds) are not coming. At least I don't think anyone's dumb enough to offer that.
Coutinho isn't Liverpool's best player. Let's get that clear. But because he is from Brazil and plays midfield while scoring and assisting a lot he is of extreme value to any purchasing club.
You have to keep in mind that Liverpool fans, some of us anyway, watched him from 2013 on to the time he left. Then we kept watching him at Barcelona. I have seen him play well over 200 times now, and can tell you everything he is capable of doing and not doing.
Most likely, your team couldn't afford him. Bayern paid a lot of money on loan to sign him for one season, and the purchase option price is ridiculous, unless he has his career year. I don't think it's unrealistic to not want to pay the price that Liverpool was almost certainly quoted, but let's not make this about Liverpool refusing to sign Coutinho.
Let's rephrase that. The club decided they couldn't afford to invest their resources in a player who wouldn't play every game. Then, as the article clearly states with sourcing, Klopp thought we already had players in his position who should play in front of him. He's a classy guy and has said nice things about Coutinho, but he also clearly did not want a player on loan, and nobody in their right mind would spend 110 million on him.
They need another player to play in those attacking positions, and they could absolutely play Coutinho as a CAM, if he warranted starts in big games.
Liverpool went the cheap option this summer, which isn't surprising, considering the amount of money they spent the prior season. They can't spend like the two Manchester clubs, Real Madrid, Barcelona and PSG can.
I think what you may not understand here, is that he is not good enough to play an important role for a team that wants to win trophies in difficult, hotly contested competitions that feature many teams with quality. He has been a passenger or worse for two seasons now, and Barcelona had the quality to carry him to trophies. Liverpool plays a team oriented game to the extent they cannot have a passenger on their team, and they cannot carry a player like that because they don't have Messi. It's pretty simple.
If you want to be Coutinho defense force, be my guest. He was not consistent enough for Liverpool to win anything when he was part of the team and they won things as soon as he left. When he left, the team made the CL final without even replacing him. He was not good enough for Barcelona in the least, and did absolutely nothing when the two teams played each other with one team forced to play a B team. He was physically dominated in every single way and looked like shit. That isn't the kind of player a big club should put any hopes in.
Also, the most important thing is they've replaced him. He was underrated at one point, grew in quality although not consistency, and lost his way. We don't use players like that.