Speculation: 2019 offseason thread IV

[majormajor]

You have to bet $130 doallars to win $100 is what the -130 means.

So if Fro bet $130 on the over and the BJ had 89 pts, he would make $100.

Do I understand it right that the bookies or whoever sets the bar at 83 pts, which is initially an even odds bet, but as people make bets the value goes up or down? And presumably if it's $130 to win $100 then that means that more people have put money on the over so far?

Also is there a way to calculate what the implicit even bet is now, if it's above 83 pts?

Also, just to make sure I'm getting it right, I'm presuming you get $100 winnings and the $130 back? And if you lose the bet you lose the $130?

 

[CBJWerenski8]

 

[CharlotteJacket]

Turns out Jarmo wasn't playing this past summer - after his efforts to bring Panarin back fell short, turns out he presented an offer sheet to Marner.
CBJ were one of 2 teams to make an offer: Minnesota was the other.

Would be interesting to know what the CBJ offer was.

I think this means despite all of the happy talk about surprising people for the upcoming season, Jarmo knows we're going to struggle scoring goals this year. He tried for Gusev and struck out. Now he's offered Marner and I wouldn't be surprised if he's offered Laine or Connor from the Jets. Jarmo knows we need top end scoring.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

 

[thebus88]

I think this means despite all of the happy talk about surprising people for the upcoming season, Jarmo knows we're going to struggle scoring goals this year. He tried for Gusev and struck out. Now he's offered Marner and I wouldn't be surprised if he's offered Laine or Connor from the Jets. Jarmo knows we need top end scoring.

As Jarmo has said (and done) MANY times in the past, he will improve the team any chance he can when the situation presents itself.

NOBODY says the team couldn't use a HIGH END player added to the roster. Same thing what was said before Panarin was added. What team wouldn't like to add a top line player? However, do not confuse use with need.

The games, long term Murray-Jones pairing and the Reign of Joonas can not start up sooooooon enough.

 

[Johansen2Foligno]

Sportsbetting.ag has the Jackets at 84.5 points with -110 over/under

+1400 to win the Metro

+5000 to win Stanley Cup

Yikes

 

[majormajor]

I think this means despite all of the happy talk about surprising people for the upcoming season, Jarmo knows we're going to struggle scoring goals this year. He tried for Gusev and struck out. Now he's offered Marner and I wouldn't be surprised if he's offered Laine or Connor from the Jets. Jarmo knows we need top end scoring.

"Tried and struck out" is apparently what it's called when you decide not to acquire a player because he isn't worth a 2nd and 3rd rounder to you.

 

[Toe Pick]

"Tried and struck out" is apparently what it's called when you decide not to acquire a player because he isn't worth a 2nd and 3rd rounder to you.

How do you know what Jarmo thought Gusev was and wasn't worth?

 

[majormajor]

How do you know what Jarmo thought Gusev was and wasn't worth?

If Jarmo thought Gusev was worth a 2nd + 3rd (or the equivalent), how do we have a situation where Jarmo and Vegas can't come together on a price, and then Vegas sells Gusev for a 2nd + 3rd to New Jersey?

 

[Maylo]

If Jarmo thought Gusev was worth a 2nd + 3rd (or the equivalent), how do we have a situation where Jarmo and Vegas can't come together on a price, and then Vegas sells Gusev for a 2nd + 3rd to New Jersey?

Because Jackets doesn't have those picks? No 2nd in next 2 years no 3rd in next year.

 

[Llamamoto]

Hi guys. Oilers fan here. How much interest do you have for Caleb Jones, Seth's brother? He played in the NHL last year and looked really solid, playing at a 30 point pace. The issue is that he is low on the depth chart on the left side, behind Nurse, Klefbom, Russell, and eventually Broberg and Samorukov.

How much would we have to add to land Borkstrand?

 

[jonlin]

Jarmo - Now offersheet Laine! Lockerroom-issues in Winnipeg, Laine disappointed in role and calling out Maurice in Finnish media. Now,s the time! 5yrs/8,5-9,5M - Get it done.

 

[stevo61]

Hi guys. Oilers fan here. How much interest do you have for Caleb Jones, Seth's brother? He played in the NHL last year and looked really solid, playing at a 30 point pace. The issue is that he is low on the depth chart on the left side, behind Nurse, Klefbom, Russell, and eventually Broberg and Samorukov.

How much would we have to add to land Borkstrand?

I understand Edmonton's thought but Columbus is supposed to trade a high potential breakout offensive player when they need offense for yet another defenseman because hes someones brother? Its not good and its not close

 

[The Wheelchair]

Hi guys. Oilers fan here. How much interest do you have for Caleb Jones, Seth's brother? He played in the NHL last year and looked really solid, playing at a 30 point pace. The issue is that he is low on the depth chart on the left side, behind Nurse, Klefbom, Russell, and eventually Broberg and Samorukov.

How much would we have to add to land Borkstrand?

The Jackets aren't really in a position to be trading forwards for defensemen right now, much less speculative prospect defensemen. The only way I can see someone like Bjorkstrand getting traded is for a genuine superstar forward.

 

[Easternbull]

Has anyone with a subscription read this?

The end of the offseason has not ended the Blue Jackets'...

 

[DJA]

Hi guys. Oilers fan here. How much interest do you have for Caleb Jones, Seth's brother? He played in the NHL last year and looked really solid, playing at a 30 point pace. The issue is that he is low on the depth chart on the left side, behind Nurse, Klefbom, Russell, and eventually Broberg and Samorukov.

How much would we have to add to land Borkstrand?

No interest in either:

-Trading for another dman (we have 9 NHL D on the roster right now)
-Trading Bjorkstrand

 

[DJA]

Has anyone with a subscription read this?

The end of the offseason has not ended the Blue Jackets'...

Yep I’ve read it. Sounded a lot like the usual baseless dreaming by our beat guy.

 

[Long Live Lyle]

Jarmo - Now offersheet Laine! Lockerroom-issues in Winnipeg, Laine disappointed in role and calling out Maurice in Finnish media. Now,s the time! 5yrs/8,5-9,5M - Get it done.

Don’t have the compensation for that exact deal. We’d have to do 5x$10.6M (or more), 6x$8.8M (or more) or 7x$7.6M (or more). I loved that we went after Marner (even if only a bit). Not sure if any of the guys left are worth the combo cap hit and 4 first round pick loss (though I think if you’re a playoff team all 4 years, that’s really overrated). Maybe Point but I think TB would match pretty much anything. Probably wouldn’t complain (and secretly deep down like it) if we were able to sign Laine for something like $9Mx6 though.

 

[Maylo]

Laine wants to play with "top players, stars, the best ones" .. I'm not sure Jackets has enough star power for this prima donna.

 

[Sabo0290]

Laine wants to play with "top players, stars, the best ones" .. I'm not sure Jackets has enough star power for this prima donna.

This was my thought process on as well. Cam is good, but he is underrated in the league, and Dubois is still coming in to himself. I don't see him being happy with that line, even though its a very solid line. I would be happy to have him on their left side, but not if it amounts to any drama. Nothing is worth that right now after last season.

 

[JohnnyJacket13]

Posted this in the Laine thread on the mains:

If we can recoup some picks from Ottawa (2020 and '21 2nd) and Toronto (2020 3rd), we could pull off an offer sheet. I'd have to imagine Jarmo has had conversations with Dorian and Dubas to get those picks back now that the threat of a Marner OS is off the table.

I'd offer Toronto Milano for that third, and to Ottawa a guy like Nutivaara+prospect for those picks, then offer Laine a 6x8.75M deal. Compensation would be two firsts, a second, and a third. Would Winnipeg match?

Laine-Dubois-Atkinson
Nyquist-Texier-Bjorkstrand
Foligno-Jenner-Anderson
Wennberg-Nash-Bemstrom

Murray-Jones
Werenski-Savard
Gavrikov-Kukan/Harrington

 

[EDM]

PD, if Jarmo could pull that off, you have constructed a really strong lineup there.

 

[blahblah]

Posted this in the Laine thread on the mains:

If we can recoup some picks from Ottawa (2020 and '21 2nd) and Toronto (2020 3rd), we could pull off an offer sheet. I'd have to imagine Jarmo has had conversations with Dorian and Dubas to get those picks back now that the threat of a Marner OS is off the table.

I'd offer Toronto Milano for that third, and to Ottawa a guy like Nutivaara+prospect for those picks, then offer Laine a 6x8.75M deal. Compensation would be two firsts, a second, and a third. Would Winnipeg match?

So we want to trade around prospects/roster players, during training camp, to get back picks on the outside chance we can make an offer sheet that won't get matched? One of those players being Nutivaara. No thanks. It's out of the box to be sure, but not really in the realm of realistic.

 

[stevo61]

Strong lineup but if Winnipeg matches the offer we are out Nuti for a couple picks? No thank you

 

[Viqsi]

Hi guys. Oilers fan here. How much interest do you have for Caleb Jones, Seth's brother? He played in the NHL last year and looked really solid, playing at a 30 point pace. The issue is that he is low on the depth chart on the left side, behind Nurse, Klefbom, Russell, and eventually Broberg and Samorukov.

How much would we have to add to land Borkstrand?

We've got an even bigger LD depth situation than Edmonton does, and in a Bjorkstrand deal CJones would be a throw-in, not the base.