Speculation: 2019-2020 Sharks Roster Discussion Part 8

[The Ice Hockey Dude]

Not only that he doesn't have any attribute to make up for his lack of speed. Thornton could at least protect the puck. Pavelski is undersized, slow, and doesn't do anything well other than tip pucks

Stars are going to regret signing him.

Pavs, while slow, may be one of the smarter NHL players. If he gets close to another player he can pick their pocket, he also anticipates the play well. These attributes will keep him in the NHL.

 

[hotcabbagesoup]

Pavs, while slow, may be one of the smarter NHL players. If he gets close to another player he can pick their pocket, he also anticipates the play well. These attributes will keep him in the NHL.

This is something I think of when talking about Pavs. I would trust him with 1-on-1 defense. However, he's not fast enough for team defense or against odd man rushes anymore, and his speed is declining every year. Having a variety of skills in order to fill different roles or adapt to different game situations is important and I think Pavs has lot so much that's there no going back.

 

[OffSydes]

Do tell. I'm curious what they didn't like about the area.

Nothing with the team, just didn't like the Bay Area.

 

[jarr92]

With Gamby elevating his play the last few, Bergmann - Gambrell - Karlsson isn't that bad of a 4th line.

Our forwards will start to look pretty deep again if and when we add a top 6, especially with Goodrow finding another gear.

Kane - Hertl - Top 6
Meier - Couture - Marleau
Sorenson - Jumbo - Labanc
Bergmann - Gamby - Goodrow/Karlsson

Aren't the Sharks right next to the cap? Someone in that group may have to be traded to acquire a top 6 player before the deadline.

 

[KirbyDots]

Aren't the Sharks right next to the cap? Someone in that group may have to be traded to acquire a top 6 player before the deadline.

Yep. We have some with the extras sent down but one of Dillon or Melker would probably need to go.

 

[Pistol Pete]

Yep. We have some with the extras sent down but one of Dillon or Melker would probably need to go.

Yeah, Melker makes the most sense to me. He’s a replacement level 4th liner that is making $2m on an expiring contract. The Sharks have plenty of guys in the system that should be able to step into that role.

Dillon is needed with the uncertainty of the left side of the defense. Vlasic is a rollercoaster. Mario is a rookie. Simek will be coming back from a major injury. Dillon can still provide more to the team than Melker can at this point.

If/when DW makes a move for a top 6 winger, I’m expecting something along the lines of a Melker, a prospect, and a 2nd/3rd package. Obviously the quality of the prospect and pick will vary depending on the quality of the player and if there’s salary retention. There will probably be a condition added as well based on the Sharks winning the cup or resigning the player, if he’s on an expiring contract.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Yeah, Melker makes the most sense to me. He’s a replacement level 4th liner that is making $2m on an expiring contract. The Sharks have plenty of guys in the system that should be able to step into that role.

Dillon is needed with the uncertainty of the left side of the defense. Vlasic is a rollercoaster. Mario is a rookie. Simek will be coming back from a major injury. Dillon can still provide more to the team than Melker can at this point.

If/when DW makes a move for a top 6 winger, I’m expecting something along the lines of a Melker, a prospect, and a 2nd/3rd package. Obviously the quality of the prospect and pick will vary depending on the quality of the player and if there’s salary retention. There will probably be a condition added as well based on the Sharks winning the cup or resigning the player, if he’s on an expiring contract.

Depends on the timing of said move. If Simek works himself back into the lineup before the New Year, they could probably hold off on adding that winger until then or the deadline. It's also not necessarily a one or the other type of thing. Both could be moved in such a deal if they need the money for it to make sense.

 

[Sysreq]

I don’t think you can move Dillion right now. With Braun gone he is really our only physical presence in front of the net. Burns fills in, but his offense is too valuable to make that his primary purpose. Vlasic, Karlsson, Heed and Ferraro all lack the size and strength really required. They play a more positional style. Without Dillion, you would be vulnerable.

Honestly, with the addition of Eric Karlsson, Vlasic’s contract and role no longer make sense for our team. He doesn’t really fit with either of the big two, and his price tag warrants more than the minutes he would see separate from them. Finding a trade is in everyone’s interest. A team like Montreal that plays a structured defensive style would fit him a lot better. Let him focus on defense rather than this Pete DeBoer, rover style you can tell frustrates the hell out of him.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

I don’t think you can move Dillion right now. With Braun gone he is really our only physical presence in front of the net. Burns fills in, but his offense is too valuable to make that his primary purpose. Vlasic, Karlsson, Heed and Ferraro all lack the size and strength really required. They play a more positional style. Without Dillion, you would be vulnerable.

Honestly, with the addition of Eric Karlsson, Vlasic’s contract and role no longer make sense for our team. He doesn’t really fit with either of the big two, and his price tag warrants more than the minutes he would see separate from them. Finding a trade is in everyone’s interest. A team like Montreal that plays a structured defensive style would fit him a lot better. Let him focus on defense rather than this Pete DeBoer, rover style you can tell frustrates the hell out of him.

Physical presence in front of the net doesn't mean much to this team when it counts since they bench Dillon when the game is on the line. Vlasic moving leaves a huge hole on the PK that is already leaning on Burns/Karlsson too much and now Dillon is a decent chunk of the PK which is not a good thing. I think Vlasic can fit with either of the two just not seamlessly.

 

[Levie]

Nothing with the team, just didn't like the Bay Area.

Seems odd he would stay here if he didn't like the place when he probably could have gotten more money in the free agency market years ago.

 

[PackShark]

Seems odd he would stay here if he didn't like the place when he probably could have gotten more money in the free agency market years ago.

Very good point considering the income tax disadvantage we have here too, along with being able to get way less bang for your buck in terms of housing.

 

[Erep]

Gregor making his debut today.

 

[stator]

Pavs is never coming back

One way or another, he's coming back to retire in teal. I'll guess that you are implying he's not coming back for something other than retiring.

 

[Nighthock]

Gregor making his debut today.

 

[Used As A Shield]

 

[Eklund72]

Ouch

 

[TheWayToRefJose]

Hope DW trades him as a favor. He’s an NHL quality D man and it’s pretty obvious PDB isn’t ever going to give him a chance.

 

[SjMilhouse]

Hope DW trades him as a favor. He’s an NHL quality D man and it’s pretty obvious PDB isn’t ever going to give him a chance.

He's had a lot of chances. He has had some flashes but he isn't that good

 

[Pavelski2112]

"He left marks while buffing, I can't have that around."

 

[Kcoyote3]

"The real problem is his name isn't right. See what I look for in my NHL defenders is if they have the name Dylan or not. Tim is just not even close to Dylan." - PDB

 

[The Nemesis]

"He left marks while buffing, I can't have that around."

"Do you know how hard it is to get those swirl marks out once they've set? Tim does. I made him stand out in my driveway with a q-tip getting the marks out until I could see my reflection in the hood."

 

[The Nemesis]

"The real problem is his name isn't right. See what I look for in my NHL defenders is if they have the name Dylan or not. Tim is just not even close to Dylan." - PDB

So that's why he likes Prout. Dalton is pretty close to Dylan.

 

[Lebanezer]

So that's why he likes Prout. Dalton is pretty close to Dylan.

 

[The Ice Hockey Dude]

Yep, Heed has been pretty average so far. He should know better.

Once Prout is health he'll play more and can perhaps keep the spot.
If so i would not be surprised to see Heed on waivers / delt.

 

[STL Shark]

Hope DW trades him as a favor. He’s an NHL quality D man and it’s pretty obvious PDB isn’t ever going to give him a chance.

Sick of this mentality where any time a player some people like is not getting minutes it is inherently the coaches fault for not liking them. Heed has had chances over the past 3 years to show he is an NHL D-Man and has not done so. Maybe this argument had more substance in 2017-18 when he was actually playing well, but for a lot of last year and all of this year he has not looked great and is not what this team needs as a 3rd pairing RD. He can't PK and is soft on the puck while also making turnovers and not producing much of anything offensively (despite that being his calling card). I said it all offseason that I did not want him as the 3rd pairing D as he was a way lesser version of the style of RHD that we already had in EK/Burns. Not saying Prout is the answer, but finding a RH version of Dillon or even Ferraro to play on the 3rd pairing is vital if this team is going to make a run.