2019-20 Roster Thread V

[The Madrigal]

40-60 point guys commanding long term deals about 2 mil more annually then what their worth. We have forwards ready to make the jump, why block them with a pricier option. Ghost is cheap and has upside still, I don’t get the obsession with moving him after a down year.

We don't have a center ready to be a 50+ guy right now and signing Hayes doesn't block anyone. Spurgeon is damn close to being an elite defenseman.

 

[The Madrigal]

You don't need to move Ghost in order to acquire Spurgeon and/or Hayes

Exactly. Ghost can stay and no young players are getting blocked. The team, most importantly, would be better. Starting to think some people don't want the team to get better.

 

[JayRosehillMVP]

I’d rather sanheim and Myers get top 4 minutes than overpay for a 160 pound Spurgeon

 

[JayRosehillMVP]

We don't have a center ready to be a 50+ guy right now and signing Hayes doesn't block anyone. Spurgeon is damn close to being an elite defenseman.

We have Couturier Patrick as the 1-2 and Frost in the wings. Unless your really not confident in Patrick as the 2C for some reason I don’t see the need for Hayes at all. A short term 3C sure.

 

[46zone]

I’d rather sanheim and Myers get top 4 minutes than overpay for a 160 pound Spurgeon

This is silly, Spurgeon is a better player than both Sanheim & Myers (which is not a knock on either).

 

[The Madrigal]

I’d rather sanheim and Myers get top 4 minutes than overpay for a 160 pound Spurgeon

Um, yeah......

 

[46zone]

We have Couturier Patrick as the 1-2 and Frost in the wings. Unless your really not confident in Patrick as the 2C for some reason I don’t see the need for Hayes at all. A short term 3C sure.

You're expecting Patrick, who is currently a 30 pt C, to make the leap to a 60 pt player next season?

 

[The Madrigal]

We have Couturier Patrick as the 1-2 and Frost in the wings. Unless your really not confident in Patrick as the 2C for some reason I don’t see the need for Hayes at all. A short term 3C sure.

Patrick is currently a 30 point center and Frost has never taken a meaningful NHL shift in his life. Hayes has played a good bit of RW earlier in his career so moving him to wing down the road if necessary is an option. In the mean time you would have a big 50 point center right in his prime at 26, and an excellent 1-2-3 punch of Couturier, Hayes, and Patrick.

 

[Strawberry Fields]

On the bright side, if we sign (Tyler) Myers, I already have two autographed 8x10s of him and his autographed Future Watch card... so I wouldn't have to seek him out.

 

[The Madrigal]

You're expecting Patrick, who is currently a 30 pt C, to make the leap to a 60 pt player next season?

Oddly a lot of people around here are subscribing to this ''plan'' and don't think center is a legitimate need.

 

[JayRosehillMVP]

You're expecting Patrick, who is currently a 30 pt C, to make the leap to a 60 pt player next season?

I’m expecting an entirely reasonable 40+. I didn’t know 60 points was a requirement to be a good 2C

 

[Oskar Man]

I'd be more inclined to trade for a low end 2C/high end 3C and gamble on Patrick taking the next step than to pay big bucks in FA for Duchene or Hayes. IMO, 1 of Frost or Patrick will be a legit 2C on this team within 2 years.

 

[JayRosehillMVP]

This is silly, Spurgeon is a better player than both Sanheim & Myers (which is not a knock on either).

Did I say he wasn’t? I’m saying I’d rather not overpay for Spurgeon when our guys will grow into that role perfectly fine.

I love how I somehow don’t want the Flyers to improve because I don’t want us to hand out blank checks on July 1st. Hilarious.

 

[46zone]

I’m expecting an entirely reasonable 40+. I didn’t know 60 points was a requirement to be a good 2C

For a team that wants to compete in playoffs, a 40 pt 2C likely won't cut it. Signing Duchene to a $9 million AAV contract or Hayes to a $6 million AAV contract is not going to hurt this team going forward. Particularly since both can be shifted to wing as Patrick & Frost progress.

 

[Rebels57]

Not saying I know Fletcher will make the best moves, but I don’t understand the pessimistic outlook.

I think he will swing for fences, but if he misses, he may make ill-advised desperation signings. AV having coached Hayes and Stralman is a factor too.

 

[46zone]

Did I say he wasn’t? I’m saying I’d rather not overpay for Spurgeon when our guys will grow into that role perfectly fine.

I love how I somehow don’t want the Flyers to improve because I don’t want us to hand out blank checks on July 1st. Hilarious.

Spurgeon is a top pairing RHD and is under contract for '19-'20 and would be well worth an $8-9 million AAV extension.

 

[Rebels57]

Spurgeon is a top pairing RHD and is under contract for '19-'20 and would be well worth an $8-9 million AAV extension.

Lol. Jesus.

 

[Curufinwe]

For a team that wants to compete in playoffs, a 40 pt 2C likely won't cut it. Signing Duchene to a $9 million AAV contract or Hayes to a $6 million AAV contract is not going to hurt this team going forward. Particularly since both can be shifted to wing as Patrick & Frost progress.

I'd much rather have Duchene at 7 x $9m than Hayes at 6 x $6m.

 

[Curufinwe]

Spurgeon is a top pairing RHD and is under contract for '19-'20 and would be well worth an $8-9 million AAV extension.

Uh, there's no way Spurgeon deserves that much.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

Oddly a lot of people around here are subscribing to this ''plan'' and don't think center is a legitimate need.

Because fans always overrate their young players.

 

[SnS]

Spurgeon yes please.


I don’t like or want Hayes. In any fashion.

 

[SnS]

I'd much rather have Duchene at 7 x $9m than Hayes at 6 x $6m.

I think I’m in this boat too and I don’t really feel comfortable giving Duchene 9M.

I just hate Hayes.

And that’s not me saying Patrick is a good/ready 2C. I just don’t like Hayes.

 

[The Madrigal]

I'd much rather have Duchene at 7 x $9m than Hayes at 6 x $6m.

So 10 more points a year is worth 3 million more in aav and an extra year? Not that Duchene is a consistent 70 point guy anyway, but on this team behind Couturier he's a max 60 point player. Hayes has averaged 49 points per over the last three seasons. Seems like a high price to pay for an additional 10 points. To each their own though.

 

[BiggE]

Sign Stralman to a 2-3 year deal. He's exactly the type of calm, veteran presence this young D group needs. Package Gudas, their 2019 2nd round pick and a prospect not named Frost or Farabee (likely Ratcliffe) for a good, middle 6 center. Re-sign Talbot and waive and demote AMac. Done.

G-Coots-TK
Lindblom-Patrick-Jake
JVR-new center-Frost or Farabee
Farabee, Laughton or Raffl-Laughton or Frost-Hartman
spare: Raffl or NAK

Provy-Ghost
Sanheim-Stralman*
Morin-Myers
Hagg

Hart
Talbot

*on the PK, Stralman can move up and play with Provorov and Morin/Myers can be the 2nd pairing.

 

[SnS]

Sign Stralman to a 2-3 year deal. He's exactly the type of calm, veteran presence this young D group needs. Package Gudas, their 2019 2nd round pick and a prospect not named Frost or Farabee (likely Ratcliffe) for a good, middle 6 center. Re-sign Talbot and waive and demote AMac. Done.

G-Coots-TK
Lindblom-Patrick-Jake
JVR-new center-Frost or Farabee
Farabee, Laughton or Raffl-Laughton or Frost-Hartman
spare: Raffl or NAK

Provy-Ghost
Sanheim-Stralman*
Morin-Myers
Hagg

Hart
Talbot

*on the PK, Stralman can move up and play with Provorov and Morin/Myers can be the 2nd pairing.

Stralman probably signs in Tampa for peanuts to stay there.