2019-20 Roster Thread IV

[Psuhockey]

They won't be, even Chuckles isn't that stupid.

If they want to do something big it’s going to cost a lot. Teams want cost controlled assets. Konecny is a big trade chip. I don’t like it but I can see them doing it.

 

[46zone]

Not that I want them to move Konecny, but if he's part of a trade there would be a significant piece coming back.

 

[Larry44]

If they want to do something big it’s going to cost a lot. Teams want cost controlled assets. Konecny is a big trade chip. I don’t like it but I can see them doing it.

On a lot of nights last year, Konecny was the only player even remotely trying to create some offense 5 on 5. It would be the heights of a level of stupidity hard to imagine, even for San Filippo, to trade him.

I'd trade Voracek or JVR before Konecny, although their contracts make them much less desirable commodities.

 

[AdamParrot]

If I'm GM of anyone else team in NHL and trading with Flyers I could to acquire in deal Konecny and Gostisbehere all day. Low value, high reward. Yes, there is a few more good pieces too (like Sanheim or Myers) but their value is higher.

I really hope that Chuck will NOT trade them.

 

[Rich Nixon]

I wouldn't understand trading Ghost after a down year with low value, but hey I dont know what return are we talking.

And I've been over this discussion 1000 times this year already

I think fans concern themselves with "a down year" lowering players' value way more than organizations do. NHL teams have lots of pro scouts. They know who a player is year-over-year, they know his style, they consider the context of a poor season, team quality, coaching, injuries, all that. It's not like GMs are on the phone like "Oh, you're offering Gostisbehere? Hold on, let me pull up HockeyDB real quick."

Certainly, a down season will call into question a player's long-term consistency, which is an inherent part of his value. But Ghost turning around and potting 55 points next year isn't going to change peoples' perception of him too much either. He's 26, he's had two 60+ point pace years and two full seasons where he was stuck in the 30's. Teams kinda know what he brings.

 

[Tripod]

If I'm GM of anyone else team in NHL and trading with Flyers I could to acquire in deal Konecny and Gostisbehere all day. Low value, high reward. Yes, there is a few more good pieces too (like Sanheim or Myers) but their value is higher.

I really hope that Chuck will NOT trade them.

Why are we assuming Fletch has them at low value?

 

[AdamParrot]

Why are we assuming Fletch has them at low value?

Because we are Flyers and a lot of fans want to trade Ghost...

 

[Tripod]

Because we are Flyers and a lot of fans want to trade Ghost...

And a lot don't want him traded.

 

[Oskar Man]

If Fletch and Blech Blart tried to obtain Kaprizov's rights, what do you guys think the price would be?

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

If Fletch and Blech Blart tried to obtain Kaprizov's rights, what do you guys think the price would be?

Would he even want to sign with those two bozos? I believe there were reports those two mismanaged the situation before when with Minnesota.

Ultimately Minnesota owns his rights indefinitely so they don’t have to just trade him for the sake of doing so if there’s really no value in it.

 

[Oskar Man]

Would he even want to sign with those two bozos? I believe there were reports those two mismanaged the situation before when with Minnesota.

Ultimately Minnesota owns his rights indefinitely so they don’t have to just trade him for the sake of doing so if there’s really no value in it.

No idea on the history. My question is just pure hypothetical. If he has no intention of signing with Minny, for whatever reason, what is his value? Surely Minny would move his rights if that were the case, no?

 

[deadhead]

You'd ask permission to talk with him first, and gauge his interest before trading for his rights.
Otherwise you're a flaming idiot.

 

[kudymen]

I think fans concern themselves with "a down year" lowering players' value way more than organizations do. NHL teams have lots of pro scouts. They know who a player is year-over-year, they know his style, they consider the context of a poor season, team quality, coaching, injuries, all that. It's not like GMs are on the phone like "Oh, you're offering Gostisbehere? Hold on, let me pull up HockeyDB real quick."

Certainly, a down season will call into question a player's long-term consistency, which is an inherent part of his value. But Ghost turning around and potting 55 points next year isn't going to change peoples' perception of him too much either. He's 26, he's had two 60+ point pace years and two full seasons where he was stuck in the 30's. Teams kinda know what he brings.

Sort of what I had in mind with the "hey I dont know what return are we talking" line - even though I mentioned "low value, down year", it doesnt really mean the GMs see it that way too. Hence why I am curious about the return

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

No idea on the history. My question is just pure hypothetical. If he has no intention of signing with Minny, for whatever reason, what is his value? Surely Minny would move his rights if that were the case, no?

I have no idea. He’s signed on for the 19-20 season in the KHL. That’s basically all I know at this point. I haven’t heard anything about him really from the media in a while.

There’s no deadline to get him signed by so we don’t really have a time line reference that would indicate something has to give one way or another like with other players from other leagues.

 

[Rich Nixon]

Sort of what I had in mind with the "hey I dont know what return are we talking" line - even though I mentioned "low value, down year", it doesnt really mean the GMs see it that way too. Hence why I am curious about the return

Yeah, it’s weird to me because I think fan perception of player value and leaguewide value evaluations seem very far apart. Like, we never know what exactly teams are after for what piece, and the reaction after probably 4 outta 5 deals is always “Team X got robbed!”

So, I basically have no idea what the league thinks Ghost is worth.

 

[Beef Invictus]

So who do you exile to the third pair?

Trouba doesn't look like a value acquisition, we don't need another offensive defensemen, we'd be better with a defenseman like Spurgeon, given we already have Provorov, Ghost, Sanheim and Myers.

It's not like Trouba will be free, significant assets PLUS a big extension.
I don't see the value on the margin for this team.

With the 3rd pair we'd be able to construct each pairing could play 20 minutes a night.

 

[Rich Nixon]

With the 3rd pair we'd be able to construct each pairing could play 20 minutes a night.

I'd want to basically have a specialist third pairing. Imagine you're rocking something like:

Provorov-Spurgeon/Trouba
Sanheim-Myers
Ghost-Gudas

You still have a great 3rd pairing that can handle any ES assignment, but you can also play them less in that scenario and have Gudas eat time on the PK and Ghost riding almost all of the PP time. They all get their minutes about equally, but different situational use.

By the way, I'm interested in how Myers comes along next year. If he comes into camp solid and the coaches get the system (whatever we end up seeing) drilled into him right away, there's a pretty good defense there already before any additions. Add a top 4 guy and you have the potential to have like, a top-10 squad in the league right off the bat.

 

[wankstifier]

Care to give an example?

Instead, he actually did the opposite and grabbed Nino for Clutterbuck.

Not a fan of how he handled the ED

 

[Oskar Man]

You'd ask permission to talk with him first, and gauge his interest before trading for his rights.
Otherwise you're a flaming idiot.

Obviously. Did I really have to put every caveat into my original post?

 

[deadhead]

Obviously. Did I really have to put every caveat into my original post?

Around here? Yes!

 

[TheKingPin]

If cbus decides to re signing Duchene they lose their 2020 1st pick. That could be pretty low given their goaltending and center depth. I think they opt to not sign and him and likely trade his rights for whatever. They have something like a 3 and 7th pick this year. They will take whatever they can get for the rights to Duchene, Panarin and Bob. Maybe they can get a 2nd out of Florida.

 

[TCTC]

If cbus decides to re signing Duchene they lose their 2020 1st pick. That could be pretty low given their goaltending and center depth. I think they opt to not sign and him and likely trade his rights for whatever. They have something like a 3 and 7th pick this year. They will take whatever they can get for the rights to Duchene, Panarin and Bob. Maybe they can get a 2nd out of Florida.

I think they will definitely try to re-sign him. He may not want to sign there though. He's most likely going to test the market. Was there ever a UFA who signed with his current team after July 1st?

 

[TheKingPin]

I think they will definitely try to re-sign him. He may not want to sign there though. He's most likely going to test the market. Was there ever a UFA who signed with his current team after July 1st?

Stamkos?

If I were them I’d rather have that first than Duchene. Their window should have been open for several more years but they got screwed. Their top three players are young and they didn’t touch their prospects. Two-three years of drafting and UFAs at that time they should be better off.

 

[TCTC]

Stamkos?

If I were them I’d rather have that first than Duchene. Their window should have been open for several more years but they got screwed. Their top three players are young and they didn’t touch their prospects. Two-three years of drafting and UFAs at that time they should be better off.

I think Stamkos was a different situation though. He's their franchise player and he's never played for another team.

If they can keep Bob and only lose Panarin, I think they'd be better off keeping Duchene as well. Duchene said Panarin's and Bob's decision will have an impact on his decision as well. Going to be interesting.

 

[deadhead]

At some point the league is going to have to adjust the salary cap for local and national taxes, otherwise Canadian teams are screwed, and high tax teams outside of LA and NY (where there are media opportunities that compensate) will struggle to compete.