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Maybe I’m missing a punchline so apologies if I’m missing your sarcasm but do you really believe that Mackinnon, Duchene, Landeskog and Rantanen were rushed?
Rushing shouldn't be a bad term.... you can rush a prospect and it work out well. The Avs' MO is to get their top prospects into the fold as quickly as possible and that is what is meant by rushing. Playing in a +1 year is frequent with the Avs, +2 is very common for top guys.
To me rushing is playing a guy even though they're clearly not ready. You could argue for example RNH was rushed, but none of our top 5 picks have thus far been rushed IMO.Rushing shouldn't be a bad term.... you can rush a prospect and it work out well. The Avs' MO is to get their top prospects into the fold as quickly as possible and that is what is meant by rushing. Playing in a +1 year is frequent with the Avs, +2 is very common for top guys.
They played Mikko 6 games in October for 10 minutes a night or less and when they realized it wasn’t working they sent him down. Then they called him up for another 3 games in March after he spent an entire year as the best player in the AHL. He followed it up by leading the Avs in goal scoring the next year as a rookie, an 84 point season and an 87 point season.Nah, just responding to some hyperbole with hyperbole...at least wrt Gabe, MacK & to a lesser extenet Dutchy -- as there was a case for overcooking him; Gabe & MacK weren't going to get anything out of going back to junior, and I don't think it would've benefit Matt's development in the long run, either.
They absolutely tried to rush Mikko though; before his struggles in the NHL forced them to pull their heads out of their asses...and if one or two pucks had bounced in for him during that initial stint, I have my doubts about whether he'd have seen a minute in San Antonio...
This. So much this.
To me rushing is playing a guy even though they're clearly not ready. You could argue for example RNH was rushed, but none of our top 5 picks have thus far been rushed IMO.
They played Mikko 6 games in October for 10 minutes a night or less and when they realized it wasn’t working they sent him down. Then they called him up for another 3 games in March after he spent an entire year as the best player in the AHL. He followed it up by leading the Avs in goal scoring the next year as a rookie, an 84 point season and an 87 point season.
On what planet would you consider that rushing? Hard to imagine a more perfect development path.
What do you mean they tried to rush him? If they tried to rush him they would have given him icetime and appropriate linemates.Exactly. They tried to rush him, he failed, then they were forced to accept reality & do the right thing.
What do you mean they tried to rush him? If they tried to rush him they would have given him icetime and appropriate linemates.
They didn’t rush him, they gave him a 6 game opportunity in an extremely sheltered role.
And I see only one who wasn't, Makar, and that only because the player said no when they tried to rush him
Exactly. They tried to rush Mikko initially, it failed; then they accepted reality & did the right thing instead of Jost'ing or RNH'ing him.
Dude I don’t even know what to say right now. Like legit don’t know how to respond to what you’re saying because your hypothetical situation is so different. Newhook is going to college. He can’t attend camp. He can’t be sent to the AHL if it doesn’t work in the NHL. Mikko was a year older than Newhook. Aside from them both being young hockey players I’m completely lost on how that would be your comparable.Since when did you need to get big minutes to be rushed? So if we pulled Newhook out of school & stuck him on our 4th line this season, we wouldn't be rushing him?
I’d be very impressed if anybody could translate you saying Mikko Rantanen was rushed. Unless what you actually mean is that Mikko Rantanen wasn’t rushed. That would be a strange way to communicate though.maybe Henchy or Cobra can translate for me
Dude I don’t even know what to say right now. Like legit don’t know how to respond to what you’re saying because your hypothetical situation is so different. Newhook is going to college. He can’t attend camp. He can’t be sent to the AHL if it doesn’t work in the NHL. Mikko was a year older than Newhook. Aside from them both being young hockey players I’m completely lost on how that would be your comparable.
Mikko agreed to play in North America like everyone wanted. The Avs felt Mikko was worth a look after camp to see if his adjustment would be enough for him to be a worthy NHL regular. They have him 6 games in very limited (yet favorable) minutes. Like legit took him as slowly as they can to see how he adjusted. Not much changed after 6 games so they sent him down.
A guy looked like he may be ready for the NHL but wasn’t adjusted to the NA pro game. They attempted him very very slowly for a handful of games because the skill was there but when they realized the pro adjustment wasn’t they decided to put him in the AHL like they planned all along if his game wasn’t ready.
Mikko Rantanen was one of the most appropriately groomed prospect the Avalanche have ever developed.
Again I feel like I’m the laughing part of an inside joke right now and I’m missing something but if you legitimately think they rushed Mikko Rantanen I have nothing left to say. You called 2 Calder winners rushed too so I’m guessing it’s a joke.
To me rushing is playing a guy even though they're clearly not ready. You could argue for example RNH was rushed, but none of our top 5 picks have thus far been rushed IMO.
Rushing shouldn't be a bad term.... you can rush a prospect and it work out well. The Avs' MO is to get their top prospects into the fold as quickly as possible and that is what is meant by rushing. Playing in a +1 year is frequent with the Avs, +2 is very common for top guys.
To be honest, too much is made about rushing or delaying a player. It's virtually impossible to truly "ruin" a prospect. You can certainly mishandle his development and hamper his development, or handle him expertly and maybe even speed it up, but if he doesn't make the big show, it's simply because he was never really good enough to begin with.
That isn't rushed though. Every team wants their good prospects brought along asap.cgf and myself are simply saying that rushed doesn't have anything to do with them being ready or not. It has to do with how quickly the organization wants to bring them into the fold. If you're talking different definitions, it is going to be a circular argument that never comes to a conclusion and people getting all hyped either way.