Prospect Info: 2019-20 Prospects Thread (CHL, NCAA, Junior A, Europe)

[Cousin Eddie]

He’ll know/get to stay out of the AHL too.

That’s actually the route I think makes most sense but Newhook probably won’t want that.

This could all be moot anyway. If Alex adjusts quickly he’s capable of absolutely ripping the NCAA up and may actually be NHL ready sooner than I thought. I don’t think he will but the skill is certainly there.

 

[tigervixxxen]

I’m expecting an adjustment year personally, for some of the reasons you said. And I agree he absolutely has the talent for it to click and him to rip it up but I think that happens sophomore year.

 

[Cousin Eddie]

I’m expecting an adjustment year personally, for some of the reasons you said. And I agree he absolutely has the talent for it to click and him to rip it up but I think that happens sophomore year.

I agree

 

[Foppberg]

One thing I’ll say is that Newhook’s goal wasn’t to simply play in the NHL as soon as possible. He wants to prepare himself for a long career and wants to accomplish that by developing properly.

Going the NCAA route was 100% Newhooks choice. He had the option to play for one of the best CHL teams in the country who just so happened to be hosting the MEM Cup but still choose to stay in Victoria. If he wanted to play in the NHL this year or next it would have made more sense to go to Halifax. Remember he was considered the #2 to Hughes a few years ago when that decision first game up. Most #2 picks never see college since they’re NHL ready. It’s always been Alex’s plan to go to college, get educated and develop into a an all round NHL player.

If Newhook doesn’t feel he’s ready for the NHL at the end of this season I highly doubt he’d sign. Sakic isn’t the type to force it either or else we would have had a full season of Makar last year.

Mikko was a slow burn too. Woulda been easy to rush him to the NHL but he got to play down in the A for a year.

 

[Chiarelli]

One thing I’ll say is that Newhook’s goal wasn’t to simply play in the NHL as soon as possible. He wants to prepare himself for a long career and wants to accomplish that by developing properly.

Going the NCAA route was 100% Newhooks choice. He had the option to play for one of the best CHL teams in the country who just so happened to be hosting the MEM Cup but still choose to stay in Victoria. If he wanted to play in the NHL this year or next it would have made more sense to go to Halifax. Remember he was considered the #2 to Hughes a few years ago when that decision first game up. Most #2 picks never see college since they’re NHL ready. It’s always been Alex’s plan to go to college, get educated and develop into a an all round NHL player.

If Newhook doesn’t feel he’s ready for the NHL at the end of this season I highly doubt he’d sign. Sakic isn’t the type to force it either or else we would have had a full season of Makar last year.

Jost was in a very similar situation with the Regina Pats hosting the memorial cup and owning his rights. Believe that was his draft + 1 year so slight difference but still.

 

[Cousin Eddie]

Jost was in a very similar situation with the Regina Pats hosting the memorial cup and owning his rights. Believe that was his draft + 1 year so slight difference but still.

Jost’s choice at that point was WHL or NCAA. Newhook’s choice last year was BCHL or QMJHL. Big difference. He couldn’t play college last year.

 

[henchman21]

Mikko was a slow burn too. Woulda been easy to rush him to the NHL but he got to play down in the A for a year.

That was because Roy forced him down and when there was the question to burn, the Avs were pretty much out of the playoffs. Traditionally, the Avs look to get their top prospects into the fold as quick as possible and as high as possible.

 

[S E P H]

Jost’s choice at that point was WHL or NCAA. Newhook’s choice last year was BCHL or QMJHL. Big difference. He couldn’t play college last year.

I don't see it as a difference because both players had their eye on college from the very start of their junior career and probably dating back to their bantam days.

 

[Cousin Eddie]

I don't see it as a difference because both players had their eye on college from the very start of their junior career and probably dating back to their bantam days.

The big difference is that at the time of their decision Newhook was a top 5 talent. He had a high chance of playing NHL hockey a few months after his draft but he wanted to take the long term route anyway.

If I remember correctly Jost’s stock grew in his draft season (specifically the U-18’s)

 

[McMetal]

The big difference is that at the time of their decision Newhook was a top 5 talent. He had a high chance of playing NHL hockey a few months after his draft but he wanted to take the long term route anyway.

If I remember correctly Jost’s stock grew in his draft season (specifically the U-18’s)

You have a point, but a lot can change for a kid over the years. Who knows what he would do next summer if offered an NHL contract? I would hope he would turn it down and wait another year like Makar did, but the temptation of getting to play on the big stage and make money is undeniable.

 

[Cousin Eddie]

You have a point, but a lot can change for a kid over the years. Who knows what he would do next summer if offered an NHL contract? I would hope he would turn it down and wait another year like Makar did, but the temptation of getting to play on the big stage and make money is undeniable.

Trust me, it’s has nothing to do with it. You don’t think he was offered anything to spend 2 years in Halifax?

Sure things can always change but it hasn’t affected anything to this point.

Also I would hope everyone is smart enough to be on the same page. I don’t think Joe would just throw him a contract and say “sign it if you want”. I think it would be discussed in great detail by both sides and they’ll mutually agree on what they think is best.

 

[Foppa2118]

Mikko was a slow burn too. Woulda been easy to rush him to the NHL but he got to play down in the A for a year.

Same with Kaut, Bowers, Greer, Meloche, Bleackley, Bigras, Heard, Siemens, Hishon, Elliott, Barrie, Stewart, Shattenkirk, Stoa, Stastny, Wolski, Johansson, Liffiton, and Nederost.

The Avs could have rushed all of those guys but didn't. Jost is the only top pick they got wrong and rushed into the NHL too early.

 

[cgf]

Mikko was a slow burn too. Woulda been easy to rush him to the NHL but he got to play down in the A for a year.

Mikko was only slow burned after he showed he wasn't NHL ready

 

[Foppberg]

Mikko was only slow burned after he showed he wasn't NHL ready

Exactly, he wasn't ready so he was sent down. AKA the myth of the Avs rushing their prospects is largely an HF fallacy.

 

[cgf]

Exactly, he wasn't ready so he was sent down. AKA the myth of the Avs rushing their prospects is largely an HF fallacy.

Wut? They did rush him into the lineup as soon as they could; regardless of whether they ultimately sent him down, or not. Jost got sent down to the AHL eventually too, was he suddenly not rushed just to fit the list, as well?

I mean Bigras being on the 'not rushed' list -- when they tried to give him an NHL gig in camp right after his draft -- is one heck of a stretch already...so it's not like pretending Jost wasn't rushed, would take much more imagination...

 

[Foppberg]

Wut? They did rush him into the lineup as soon as they could; regardless of whether they ultimately sent him down, or not. Jost got sent down to the AHL eventually too, was he suddenly not rushed just to fit the list, as well?

I mean Bigras being on the 'not rushed' list -- when they tried to give him an NHL gig in camp right after his draft -- is one heck of a stretch already...so it's not like pretending Jost wasn't rushed, would take much more imagination...

Mikko got a full year in the A, Jost did not. Outside of Jost I fail to see any high pick that has been rushed by the Avs within the last few years at the least. Even then, Jost's whole MO was to get to the NHL ASAP, some fault is at his feet also.

 

[Foppa2118]

Wut? They did rush him into the lineup as soon as they could; regardless of whether they ultimately sent him down, or not. Jost got sent down to the AHL eventually too, was he suddenly not rushed just to fit the list, as well?

I mean Bigras being on the 'not rushed' list -- when they tried to give him an NHL gig in camp right after his draft -- is one heck of a stretch already...so it's not like pretending Jost wasn't rushed, would take much more imagination...

If they tried to give Bigras an NHL gig out of camp, they would have though. They liked how he looked in camp and they still decided not to.

 

[cgf]

Mikko got a full year in the A, Jost did not. Outside of Jost I fail to see any high pick that has been rushed by the Avs within the last few years at the least. Even then, Jost's whole MO was to get to the NHL ASAP, some fault is at his feet also.

And I see only one who wasn't, Makar, and that only because the player said no when they tried to rush him

 

[Foppberg]

And I see only one who wasn't, Makar, and that only because the player said no when they tried to rush him

Going back ten years...

Duchene? Nope.
Hishon? Nope (injuries)
Landeskog/Siemens? Nope, nope.
MacK? Nope.
Bleackley? Nope.
Mikko? Nope.
Jost? Yeah.
Makar? Nope.
Kaut? Nope.

Not to mention guys like Barrie, Elliott, Bowers,Greer, Stewart, Wolski, Shattenkirk etc etc etc...

 

[cgf]

Going back ten years...

Duchene? Nope.
Hishon? Nope (injuries)
Landeskog/Siemens? Nope, nope.
MacK? Nope.
Bleackley? Nope.
Mikko? Nope.
Jost? Yeah.
Makar? Nope.
Kaut? Nope.

Not to mention guys like Barrie, Elliott, Bowers,Greer, Stewart, Wolski, Shattenkirk etc etc etc...

You right, two guys...and they really tried with 1 of them...

Dutchy? - Yup; NHLer out of camp
Hishon? - N/A; braindamage
Landy? - Yup; NHLer out of camp
Dunk? - N/A; not good enough & not a top 10 pick
MacK? - Yup; NHLer out of camp
Bleacks? - N/A; not good enough & not a top 10 pick
Mikko? - Yup; NHLer out of camp
Jost? - Yup; NHLer in draft+2
Cale? - Nope; but they tried...
Kaut? - Nope;

My b, I totally forgot about Kaut cause I was just thinking about top 10 picks

 

[Foppberg]

My bad, two guys...and they really tried with 1 of them...

Dutchy? - Yup; NHLer out of camp
Hish? - N/A; braindamage
Landy? - Yup; NHLer out of camp
Dunk? - N/A; not good enough & not a top 10 pick
MacK? - Yup; NHLer out of camp
Bleacks? - N/A; not good enough & not a top 10 pick
Mikko? - Yup; NHLer out of camp
Jost? - Yup; NHLer in draft+2
Cale? - Nope; but they tried...
Kaut? - Nope; my b, forgot about Kaut cause I was just thinking about top 10 picks

Duchene 55 point rookie season..

Landeskog/MacKinnon..

Yeah they sure were rushed too soon

 

[cgf]

Duchene 55 point rookie season..

Landeskog/MacKinnon..

Yeah they sure were rushed too soon

Yes, they were successful rookies...

I assume from those obnoxiously sized pics that you think you're making a point here?

 

[Foppberg]

Yes, they were successful rookies...

I assume from those obnoxiously sized pics that you think you're making a point here?

I don't have time to scan all the photos to accommodate your preference lol. Point being they were successful, so they weren't rushed too soon. Seems like you're stretching things just to fit your argument.

But whatever, this is silly.

 

[Cousin Eddie]

You right, two guys...and they really tried with 1 of them...

Dutchy? - Yup; NHLer out of camp
Hishon? - N/A; braindamage
Landy? - Yup; NHLer out of camp
Dunk? - N/A; not good enough & not a top 10 pick
MacK? - Yup; NHLer out of camp
Bleacks? - N/A; not good enough & not a top 10 pick
Mikko? - Yup; NHLer out of camp
Jost? - Yup; NHLer in draft+2
Cale? - Nope; but they tried...
Kaut? - Nope;

My b, I totally forgot about Kaut cause I was just thinking about top 10 picks

Maybe I’m missing a punchline so apologies if I’m missing your sarcasm but do you really believe that Mackinnon, Duchene, Landeskog and Rantanen were rushed?

 

[cgf]

I don't have time to scan all the photos to accommodate your preference lol. Point being they were successful, so they weren't rushed too soon. Seems like you're stretching things just to fit your argument.

But whatever, this is silly.

How do future results alter an assessment made at the time

This must be the same sort of reasoning that says that trying to rush a prospect and failing, means you never wanted to rush them in the first place