Speculation: 2019-20 Expected Blackhawks Roster

[BK]

Is that indicated somewhere that I missed? If so, my bad.

Regardless, I wouldn't sign Sikura to that personally. But I imagine I'm not as high on him as you are.

It is not listed on there so you did not miss it.

I think Sikura turns out to be a good 3rd line scorer.

 

[RememberTheRoar]

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Caggiula, Drake $1,500,000 LW, C, RW RFA - 1	Toews, Jonathan $10,500,000 C NMC UFA - 4	Kane, Patrick $10,500,000 RW, C NMC UFA - 4
DeBrincat, Alex $778,333 LW, RW RFA - 1	Strome, Dylan $863,333 C RFA - 1	Stone, Mark $9,000,000 RW UFA
Kahun, Dominik $925,000 LW, C RFA - 1	Barratt, Evan $925,000 C RFA	Saad, Brandon $6,000,000 RW, LW UFA - 2
Sikura, Dylan $1,500,000 LW, RW, C RFA	Kämpf, David $1,500,000 C, RW RFA	Perlini, Brendan $1,250,000 RW, LW RFA
Hayden, John $750,000 C, RW RFA - 1

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Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Keith, Duncan $5,538,462 D NMC UFA - 4	Jokiharju, Henri $925,000 D RFA - 2	Crawford, Corey $6,000,000 G M-NTC NMC UFA - 1
Gustafsson, Erik $1,200,000 D UFA - 1	Trouba, Jacob $8,000,000 D RFA	Delia, Collin $1,000,000 G UFA - 3
Murphy, Connor $3,850,000 D UFA - 3	Mitchell, Ian $925,000 D RFA
Forsling, Gustav $1,500,000 D RFA	Seabrook, Brent $6,875,000 D NMC UFA - 5

[TBODY] [/TBODY]
[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Thoughts?

Offer sheet to Trouba.

Is that $8,000,000 over 5, 6, or 7 years? Each year beyond 5 causes a step up in draft pick compensation.

I’d do it if it were for 5 years. That’s a 2020 1st, 2nd, and 3rd.

 

[RememberTheRoar]

I like the team but agree with AD, Bowman isn’t going to burn the bridge with Chevy. Furthermore, 8M is far too low. They’d match that in a heartbeat and thank us for helping to get him signed.

If Stan is prioritizing keeping Chevy as a drinking buddy over maximizing the remainder of the Toews and Kane contracts, he’s making a giant mistake.

The Hawks desperately need a two-way top-pairing defenseman to re-open the window. That’s significantly more important than Stan and Chevy’s relationship.

 

[BK]

Is that $8,000,000 over 5, 6, or 7 years? Each year beyond 5 causes a step up in draft pick compensation.

I’d do it if it were for 5 years. That’s a 2020 1st, 2nd, and 3rd.

5 years or you could try and trade instead for say 2020 1sr, Beaudin, and a roster player.

 

[RememberTheRoar]

5 years.

Then yes. Do it, and Stan guy apologize to Chevy over drinks some other time.

 

[AmericanDream]

or just talk to Chevy about a trade for Trouba...you can tell him ahead of time we plan to offer sheet Trouba, to avoid that let's work out a deal...

 

[BK]

or just talk to Chevy about a trade for Trouba...you can tell him ahead of time we plan to offer sheet Trouba, to avoid that let's work out a deal...

Yep.

My offer would be what I put before as long as we knew he would resign.

 

[AmericanDream]

a player can refuse an offer sheet as well guys, you aren't getting Trouba to agree to a 5 year deal IMO, so if you offer sheet him, be prepared to go the maximum term and have to give up the maximum picks.

 

[Hawkaholic]

I'd offer sheet him for just under the 4-1st round picks. If Winnipeg matches, so be it, at least it f***s them on their cap moving forward.

 

[ColdSteel2]

If Stan is prioritizing keeping Chevy as a drinking buddy over maximizing the remainder of the Toews and Kane contracts, he’s making a giant mistake.

The Hawks desperately need a two-way top-pairing defenseman to re-open the window. That’s significantly more important than Stan and Chevy’s relationship.

Why wouldn’t Chevy just trade Trouba and pick out the return he wants?

A realistic scenario would be offering them our 1st rounder+ for Trouba and signing him for 8M ourselves.

 

[RememberTheRoar]

Why wouldn’t Chevy just trade Trouba and pick out the return he wants?

A realistic scenario would be offering them our 1st rounder+ for Trouba and signing him for 8M ourselves.

I don’t know, the point is go get him.

You know the minimum cost is going to be a 2020 1st, 2nd, and 3rd.

 

[Toews2Bickell]

If they really want to go the offer sheet route of 1st/2nd/3rd they could recoup the 2nd and 3rd before draft for sure.

 

[AmericanDream]

I don’t know, the point is go get him.

You know the minimum cost is going to be a 2020 1st, 2nd, and 3rd.

yeah but again, you don't just go get the player - player has to accept the offer and from the sounds of it Trouba seems more interested in heading to the East Coast...I said 5 years will not get it done, he hits the open market after next season, he will seek 7 years and rightfully so.

 

[LDF]

Is that indicated somewhere that I missed? If so, my bad.

Regardless, I wouldn't sign Sikura to that personally. But I imagine I'm not as high on him as you are.

i really do not like giving Sikura that without him earning it. setting a precedent here. that precedent will come back and bite the org in the arse.

 

[RememberTheRoar]

yeah but again, you don't just go get the player - player has to accept the offer and from the sounds of it Trouba seems more interested in heading to the East Coast...I said 5 years will not get it done, he hits the open market after next season, he will seek 7 years and rightfully so.

What’s the argument? Of course he needs to accept, that doesn’t mean you don’t try.

Yes he deserves 7 in theory, but I doubt any team is willing to offersheet higher than a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd. So either that’s roughly $8 million for five years, or he lowers the money demand for more years.

 

[AmericanDream]

What’s the argument? Of course he needs to accept, that doesn’t mean you don’t try.

Yes he deserves 7 in theory, but I doubt any team is willing to offersheet higher than a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd. So either that’s roughly $8 million for five years, or he lowers the money demand for more years.

I am not sure what you mean what is the argument?

I am saying that it isn't a slam dunk, and offer sheeting a player that might not even want to come to your team seems a bit silly to begin with. It also is a big deal when the player likely will not accept a 5 year deal even if offer sheeted, why waste time? He likely would want 7 years, and at that point why even offer sheet him at that cost?

 

[RememberTheRoar]

I am not sure what you mean what is the argument?

I am saying that it isn't a slam dunk, and offer sheeting a player that might not even want to come to your team seems a bit silly to begin with. It also is a big deal when the player likely will not accept a 5 year deal even if offer sheeted, why waste time? He likely would want 7 years, and at that point why even offer sheet him at that cost?

How long does it take to put in that offer for him? 5 minutes? 10 maybe?

For the slim chance you bring in a young top-pairing defenseman, I don’t know how that’s a waste of time.

Definitely not saying it’s a slam dunk, and I don’t know anyone who claimed it would be. We’re saying you take the chance.

 

[AmericanDream]

How long does it take to put in that offer for him? 5 minutes? 10 maybe?

For the slim chance you bring in a young top-pairing defenseman, I don’t know how that’s a waste of time.

Definitely not saying it’s a slam dunk, and I don’t know anyone who claimed it would be. We’re saying you take the chance.

most of your posts are just coming off as this is an easy decision and just throw some shit out there with no repercussions (not saying that in a mean way either just a general perspective)-you then are talking about just offering him 5 years which isn't going to work, so fundamentally what was originally proposed is flawed and IMO a waste of time. you are not going to win an offer sheet for Trouba unless it is 7 years, and as I said are you prepared for that price?? I am not, and I have been one of Trouba's biggest fans but he has flaws as well and that price tag is too steep to get him IMO.

 

[RememberTheRoar]

most of your posts are just coming off as this is an easy decision and just throw some **** out there with no repercussions (not saying that in a mean way either just a general perspective)-you then are talking about just offering him 5 years which isn't going to work, so fundamentally what was originally proposed is flawed and IMO a waste of time. you are not going to win an offer sheet for Trouba unless it is 7 years, and as I said are you prepared for that price?? I am not, and I have been one of Trouba's biggest fans but he has flaws as well and that price tag is too steep to get him IMO.

You don’t know what it’s going to take for sure. If he were a UFA, I’d say you’re absolutely right. The repercussions you’re mentioning are what could make 5 years realistic.

None of my posts have said it’s to bring him, but it seems like an easy decision to at least try. There are zero repercussions to trying.

 

[AmericanDream]

You don’t know what it’s going to take for sure. If he were a UFA, I’d say you’re absolutely right. The repercussions you’re mentioning are what could make 5 years realistic.

None of my posts have said it’s to bring him, but it seems like an easy decision to at least try. There are zero repercussions to trying.

repercussions are meaning how we are now viewed in the league by another GM..who did the last offer sheet in hockey and when was it done? I normally do not care about that, but it has to make sense to do it am not so sure that is the best option here. so you see these contracts getting handed out left and right, and you think a 5 year deal is going to cut it for a guy who not only fought through near career ending injury but knows he can get up to 8 years as a RFA??? I just don't see that happening and why I said it is a waste of time to even entertain that specific option.

 

[RememberTheRoar]

repercussions are meaning how we are now viewed in the league by another GM..who did the last offer sheet in hockey and when was it done? I normally do not care about that, but it has to make sense to do it am not so sure that is the best option here. so you see these contracts getting handed out left and right, and you think a 5 year deal is going to cut it for a guy who not only fought through near career ending injury but knows he can get up to 8 years as a RFA??? I just don't see that happening and why I said it is a waste of time to even entertain that specific option.

1. He can’t get up to 8 years as an RFA
2. The way RFA compensation is setup, it pretty much caps the years at 5 because once a team goes over 5 years, the compensation is ridiculously high. He’s not going to get $8 million+ for 6 or 7 years because no team is giving up 2-4 first round picks for him.

If he wants more than 5 years, Winnipeg or being traded a likely his only options

 

[ColdSteel2]

Winnipeg isn’t going to let Trouba go for a 2020 1st, 2nd and 3rd when many teams would give up a 2019 1st, 2nd and 3rd to get him as a 1 year rental.

He’ll probably return someone like Jokiharju.

 

[AmericanDream]

1. He can’t get up to 8 years as an RFA
2. The way RFA compensation is setup, it pretty much caps the years at 5 because once a team goes over 5 years, the compensation is ridiculously high. He’s not going to get $8 million+ for 6 or 7 years because no team is giving up 2-4 first round picks for him.

If he wants more than 5 years, Winnipeg or being traded a likely his only options

my bad 7 years, same thing applies- which is exactly what I said, I don't see him taking just 5 years...

 

[LDF]

my bad 7 years, same thing applies- which is exactly what I said, I don't see him taking just 5 years...

i agree..... the agents are now pushing for the max amount of money for the max amount of yrs.

the trend will not change but will get worse. i am also glad in suspecting that SB will not go down this road again with ref to yrs in a contract.

 

[Malagahawks]

a player can refuse an offer sheet as well guys, you aren't getting Trouba to agree to a 5 year deal IMO, so if you offer sheet him, be prepared to go the maximum term and have to give up the maximum picks.

Are we also talking an NMC for Trouba?