Speculation: 2019-20 Anaheim Ducks Roster Discussion Part III

[Deuce22]

Guys who are playmaking pass first players do better when paired with goal scorers, it's just common sense.

Of course. Where are the goal scorers on this team that would complete him?

 

[bsu]

Of course. Where are the goal scorers on this team that would complete him?

Not Getzlaf and Ritchie

 

[11Justin93]

Is Terry really all that valuable to us right now if he NEEDS other players in order to be good? Don't get me wrong, he's one of my favorite prospects and I want to see him become a mainstay in our lineup, but at this point in time I'd rather have Sprong getting his NHL minutes.

 

[bsu]

Is Terry really all that valuable to us right now if he NEEDS other players in order to be good? Don't get me wrong, he's one of my favorite prospects and I want to see him become a mainstay in our lineup, but at this point in time I'd rather have Sprong getting his NHL minutes.

The only thing sprong has over Terry is shooting.

 

[Mr Rogers]

I think once Terry gets a couple points, they will start coming a little more easily. The question is do you keep him up if he keeps not scoring? What if he hits 15 games and still has a goose egg? I think at some point, you send him down so he remembers what it feels like to score.

 

[Ducks DVM]

I am reading a lot about how creative and good Troy Terry is. Also, I hear that Nick Ritchie is terrible. I watch the games and see something different. So I decided to do some simple math.

Nick Ritchie age 23 250 games 36 goals 56 assists 92 points +10
Troy Terry age 22 39 games 4 goals 9 assists 13 points +7

Goals per game-Ritchie 0.144 Terry 0.103
Assists per game-Ritchie 0.224 Terry 0.230
Points per game-Ritchie 0.368 Terry 0.333

Ritchie scores goals and points at a higher rate than Terry. Terry assists at a slightly higher rate. Ritchie is one year older. But the narrative on this board is primarily that Ritchie is garbage and Terry is a great prospect. What gives?

I think effort is the answer. There are times that Ritchie is clearly floating, and he has the reputation of having into camp his first few years being out of shape and overweight. Terry is pretty clearly always trying. I think Ritchie’s ability to score goals in tight is greatly under appreciated, but I also feel like the people who expect a playmaking wing to score a lot of goals would have been surprised if Getzlaf in his prime had been stuck with two plugs and couldn’t manage more than 20G/50P.

I feel like the RC non-firing did more damage to Ritchie than anyone else on the team. He was clearly a different player at the start of last season than he’s been before or since. Hopefully he can be that guy again.

 

[MMC]

Terry has been invisible to me, but I’m probably alone in that

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

Whatever happens, they need to leave Sprong in SD. He isn't a savior to a cup season and this is his last best chance to learn what he should have learned before the Pens messed him up. Call him up now he will have not had time to learn anything and chances are he will not pass thru waivers next time. We need to be patient with him unless we are flat out giving up on him.

 

[Ducks DVM]

Whatever happens, they need to leave Sprong in SD. He isn't a savior to a cup season and this is his last best chance to learn what he should have learned before the Pens messed him up. Call him up now he will have not had time to learn anything and chances are he will not pass thru waivers next time. We need to be patient with him unless we are flat out giving up on him.

Yeah, this is a developmental year. Especially if Getzlaf is actually too injured to be a top line guy. Keep ALL the prospects in whichever league they need to be in to properly develop, instill a better culture, and don’t make short-sighted decisions to make a minimal difference this year. I’m happy enough watching them play motivated again. Don’t waste assets for no reason, this isn’t the year for the Cup.

 

[cheesymc]

We will see if a losing streak starts now or if we can remain competitive. The next 8 games are all with playoff bound teams (Buffalo not so much but they are off to a good start).

 

[Deuce22]

Terry has been invisible to me, but I’m probably alone in that

Not invisible, but certainly not as amazing as I read about on here.

 

[bsu]

We shot ourselves in the foot against a team we can't against today.

 

[Deuce22]

I think effort is the answer. There are times that Ritchie is clearly floating, and he has the reputation of having into camp his first few years being out of shape and overweight. Terry is pretty clearly always trying. I think Ritchie’s ability to score goals in tight is greatly under appreciated, but I also feel like the people who expect a playmaking wing to score a lot of goals would have been surprised if Getzlaf in his prime had been stuck with two plugs and couldn’t manage more than 20G/50P.

I feel like the RC non-firing did more damage to Ritchie than anyone else on the team. He was clearly a different player at the start of last season than he’s been before or since. Hopefully he can be that guy again.

Point taken. The only reason I compared Terry to Ritchie is that I think the narratives regarding both on this board are bogus. Ritchie isn't Max Jones as far as a motor is concerned, but he's a much better hockey player. Terry has skills, but so far haven't resulted in production.

 

[Goose of Reason]

Terry has been invisible to me, but I’m probably alone in that

He has had one game where I thought he was good. Other than that he's been all flashes of skill but no finish to show for it. He still lacks strength imo.

 

[Exit Dose]

Sprong has to actually earn a trip back, which he has most definitely not done in the AHL.

 

[DavidBL]

Sprong has to actually earn a trip back, which he has most definitely not done in the AHL.

Really he has gone pointless in 3 gsmes in SD and they're losibg pretty bad. They had tones of PPs too and he still isnt producing. The guy seemed defeated to me when he got sent down.

 

[KyleJRM]

Imagine if we had traded Kase for Faulk, he's our best forward right now, hopefully he can give us about 70 good games....

He's on pace for 14 goals. We have the *lowest* standards for our forwards sometimes.

 

[KyleJRM]

I'd be less concerned about Terry's lack of production if he hadn't done the exact same thing last year.

There's a difference between a playmaker and a guy who can occasionally win a one-on-one but doesn't actually produce scoring chances.

 

[Ducks DVM]

I'd be less concerned about Terry's lack of production if he hadn't done the exact same thing last year.

There's a difference between a playmaker and a guy who can occasionally win a one-on-one but doesn't actually produce scoring chances.

He’s a 22 year old 5th round pick. Why are you worried at all? He needs a trip to San Diego, but the kid clearly has potential. Palmieri was also nothing special at his age.

 

[KyleJRM]

He’s a 22 year old 5th round pick. Why are you worried at all? He needs a trip to San Diego, but the kid clearly has potential. Palmieri was also nothing special at his age.

5th round pick doesn't mean much at this point. He's not being judged against that, he's being judged against his current prospect rankings and expectations. Otherwise he wouldn't be on the team at all.

Picking out one player who bloomed later is survivorship bias. Lots of plugs had bad seasons at 22 too.

Doesn't mean I'm giving up on him. Just that it's worth noticing.

 

[Ducks DVM]

5th round pick doesn't mean much at this point. He's not being judged against that, he's being judged against his current prospect rankings and expectations. Otherwise he wouldn't be on the team at all.

Picking out one player who bloomed later is survivorship bias. Lots of plugs had bad seasons at 22 too.

Doesn't mean I'm giving up on him. Just that it's worth noticing.

If he was a first round pick I’d be “worried”. A 5th rounder, I’m happy if he can play in the NHL at all. I don’t think he’d be on the team if we actually had more than 2 NHL caliber right wings.

It’s pretty easy to find players who bloomed after age 22. It’s pretty easy to find players who busted after 22. The kid has a .325PPG over his first 40 games. That’s acceptable to me. I would rather he was in San Diego building confidence and muscle though.

 

[AngelDuck]

Right now our best offensive players are Kase and Rakell. Kase has never played a full season and his best production was less than .7 PPG. Rakell is a 2 time 30 goal scorer that maxes out at 60 points probably.

I like both of those players a lot but when they’re leading the charge offensively, expectations need to be tempered. I want to see Eakins move some things around offensively and on the PP to try to get things flowing

Rakell-Steel-Terry
Henrique-Getzlaf-Kase
Ritchie-Grant-Silfverberg
Shore-Rowney-Jones

We haven’t been terrible this year but I’d love to try a lineup like this to try to spark things. Gives Getzlaf some real wingers and allows Terry and Steel to play with another high skilled player

no, the bottom 6 isn’t ideal, but it at least gives you a chance of having 2 lines that can score consistently. Right now we don’t really have a line that can be counted on to produce every game. We just have a bunch of meh linez

I don’t think Ritchie or Jones playing with Getzlaf Terry or Steel is the answer to any of our problems

 

[Mr Rogers]

I like the Getzlaf /Kase Tandem as well. Getzlafs best game imo was against San Jose, with Kase in his wing I believe. I think Ondrej also has the ability to energize Getz.

 

[Sean Garrity]

Right now our best offensive players are Kase and Rakell. Kase has never played a full season and his best production was less than .7 PPG. Rakell is a 2 time 30 goal scorer that maxes out at 60 points probably.

I like both of those players a lot but when they’re leading the charge offensively, expectations need to be tempered. I want to see Eakins move some things around offensively and on the PP to try to get things flowing

Rakell-Steel-Terry
Henrique-Getzlaf-Kase
Ritchie-Grant-Silfverberg
Shore-Rowney-Jones

We haven’t been terrible this year but I’d love to try a lineup like this to try to spark things. Gives Getzlaf some real wingers and allows Terry and Steel to play with another high skilled player

no, the bottom 6 isn’t ideal, but it at least gives you a chance of having 2 lines that can score consistently. Right now we don’t really have a line that can be counted on to produce every game. We just have a bunch of meh linez

I don’t think Ritchie or Jones playing with Getzlaf Terry or Steel is the answer to any of our problems

I don't think it's a horrid idea, but Eakins was rolling out the Grant-Rowney pairing against other teams top lines IIRC, so he'd have to find a new "shutdown" line.

 

[robbieboy3686]

Zucker will be traded to the ducks sooner than later. That will help a lot, does terry go the other way ( I’m sure they don’t want Sprong )