OT: 2018 Football Thread: Camp is (almost) here!!!!!

[NYRPat21]

Giants open up home against Coughlin’s Jags. I’m just happy it’s not SNF away @Dallas for the 14th year in a row.

 

[TheTakedown]

Giants release veteran receiver Brandon Marshall

Damn that's tough. Guy wanted one more year then he wanted to retire. It's possible it worked out for both parties.

 

[TheTakedown]

So right now it seems to me that if the Browns do not take Mayfield, the Giants will take him. If they do, then the Giants take Barkley... is that correct?

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

I really think taking an RB at 2 would be a big mistake

 

[RGY]

So right now it seems to me that if the Browns do not take Mayfield, the Giants will take him. If they do, then the Giants take Barkley... is that correct?

Doesn't sound like that. It sounds like if Browns don't take Darnold then Giants will go with him at 2. If Browns do take Darnold, then Giants would take Barkley.

Every report says Giants FO is very high on Barkley for how he is both on and off the field. They love his ability and character.

I don't think it is a mistake at all take Barkley at 2. Lots of insiders believe he will be wearing the gold jacket at the end of his career. They are not as sure about that as some of the other options.

Barkley opens up the entire offense. It will make them a more physical team that can finally ground and pound.

 

[Hunter Gathers]

Doesn't sound like that. It sounds like if Browns don't take Darnold then Giants will go with him at 2. If Browns do take Darnold, then Giants would take Barkley.

Every report says Giants FO is very high on Barkley for how he is both on and off the field. They love his ability and character.

I don't think it is a mistake at all take Barkley at 2. Lots of insiders believe he will be wearing the gold jacket at the end of his career. They are not as sure about that as some of the other options.

Barkley opens up the entire offense. It will make them a more physical team that can finally ground and pound.

Except Barkley is not a physical player. He's not some physical back at all.

 

[darko]

If you want a physical back grab Guice in 2nd. Or Nick Chubb later on.

 

[NYRPat21]

The RB class is too deep to justify taking Barkley at 2. You have Guice, Michel, Chubb, Penny that you should be able to get in the 2nd or 3rd rounds. I love Barkley and I think he’s gonna be a stud, but you can’t take him at 2, especially with the QBs in this draft class.

 

[Hunter Gathers]

If you want a physical back grab Guice in 2nd. Or Nick Chubb later on.

Guice, Chubb, or Penny are the three I'd prefer over going RB at 2.

 

[Ghost of jas]

You don’t take RB’s 2nd overall. If the Browns f*** over the Giants and take Darnold, and they don’t like the other QBs, trade down and get multiple picks.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

Doesn't sound like that. It sounds like if Browns don't take Darnold then Giants will go with him at 2. If Browns do take Darnold, then Giants would take Barkley.

Every report says Giants FO is very high on Barkley for how he is both on and off the field. They love his ability and character.

I don't think it is a mistake at all take Barkley at 2. Lots of insiders believe he will be wearing the gold jacket at the end of his career. They are not as sure about that as some of the other options.

Barkley opens up the entire offense. It will make them a more physical team that can finally ground and pound.

Just not sure I agree with the line and QB so uncertain. Remember the AP-led Vikings in 2012? They couldn't do anything when it mattered because having poor QB play in today's NFL allows teams to stack the box.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

Please tell me the Giants aren't actually entertaining bringing in Dez Bryant.

 

[RGY]

Just not sure I agree with the line and QB so uncertain. Remember the AP-led Vikings in 2012? They couldn't do anything when it mattered because having poor QB play in today's NFL allows teams to stack the box.

The Giants have a future HOFer at QB compared to Christian Ponder at QB. The line will be improved with the new personnel and the new coaching staff, I really believe that.

So yea I want to go with Barkley. And I want to see how much Dez would be willing to sacrifice to be a Giant. 2 year $7 million contract? $8 million?

 

[Roo Returns]

Please tell me the Giants aren't actually entertaining bringing in Dez Bryant.

I would hope so. Depth always wins. You can't go into the season with potential holdout ODB, Shepard, and the rest being unknowns (even if they draft another rookie WR). Yes Engram is there, but he's still a TE.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Man, as a Browns fan, I can't wait for this draft to be over. They're really well set up, but with all the stories going round, it really feels like they could outsmart themselves... Hopefully it's all just smoke.

I feel like I've typed this before...

 

[YoSoyLalo]

Man, as a Browns fan, I can't wait for this draft to be over. They're really well set up, but with all the stories going round, it really feels like they could outsmart themselves... Hopefully it's all just smoke.

I feel like I've typed this before...

Dorsey’s a great drafting Gm boss

Even tho you’re a Browns fan you should feel confident in him

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Dorsey’s a great drafting Gm boss

Even tho you’re a Browns fan you should feel confident in him

I hear ya. I've just been conditioned to be pessimistic. 20 years of abject failure can do that to ya...

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

I would hope so. Depth always wins. You can't go into the season with potential holdout ODB, Shepard, and the rest being unknowns (even if they draft another rookie WR). Yes Engram is there, but he's still a TE.

Not enough balls to go around. Not enough Prozac either.

 

[Hunter Gathers]

The Giants have a future HOFer at QB compared to Christian Ponder at QB. The line will be improved with the new personnel and the new coaching staff, I really believe that.

So yea I want to go with Barkley. And I want to see how much Dez would be willing to sacrifice to be a Giant. 2 year $7 million contract? $8 million?

The idea that current-level Manning is better than Christian Ponder is debatable.

Which in and of itself is incredibly sad.

Also, can we stop with the flat-out falsehood that the line was what was wrong with Eli? The pass protection was league average.

 

[East Coast Bias]

You're not winning in today's NFL with ground and pound. It's a league that's designed, and refereed - to pass and score.

The whole strategy of great defense/great run, a QB who doesn't lose you the game has always been flimsy to me. I say that as a Jets fan who watched it get us to 2 AFC title games, but never over the line.

You can win games but I just don't think you can win it all. Watching the Jags try to do it against the Pats last year was agonizing last year cause you know what was gonna happen. But to me was the perfect illustration of how far it can get you.

 

[darko]

Man, as a Browns fan, I can't wait for this draft to be over. They're really well set up, but with all the stories going round, it really feels like they could outsmart themselves... Hopefully it's all just smoke.

I feel like I've typed this before...

You've had a tough life.

 

[One Winged Angel]

The idea that current-level Manning is better than Christian Ponder is debatable.

Which in and of itself is incredibly sad.

Also, can we stop with the flat-out falsehood that the line was what was wrong with Eli? The pass protection was league average.

It's not debatable.

Ponder is atrocious and always has been. Present level Eli is by no means 2011 or even 2014 Eli, but with one of the worst offensive lines in recent memory, it hasn't helped him either.

Ponder is AFL/CFL material. The best part about him is his hot wife that reports for ESPN.

 

[One Winged Angel]

You're not winning in today's NFL with ground and pound. It's a league that's designed, and refereed - to pass and score.

The whole strategy of great defense/great run, a QB who doesn't lose you the game has always been flimsy to me. I say that as a Jets fan who watched it get us to 2 AFC title games, but never over the line.

You can win games but I just don't think you can win it all. Watching the Jags try to do it against the Pats last year was agonizing last year cause you know what was gonna happen. But to me was the perfect illustration of how far it can get you.

Philly just won with a 2 back set that they controlled the clock with and got decent play from a sub-par QB.

Blount has won 2 Super Bowls in a row and has been a key contributor on them.

 

[East Coast Bias]

Philly just won with a 2 back set that they controlled the clock with and got decent play from a sub-par QB.

Blount has won 2 Super Bowls in a row and has been a key contributor on them.

Foles averaged over 300 yards and 2 TDS per game in the playoffs. They won a SB bc they didn’t just try to control the clock and not lose. They were aggressive.

They hardly played conservative ground and pound. Being a good running team isn’t the same thing.

 

[NYRFANMANI]

With this run on QBs I'm wondering if Denver will pick Barkley. Specially after cutting CJ. On the other hand there are so many holes on the squad, the Broncos could pick anything at 5.