Discussion in 'Montreal Canadiens' started by Adam Michaels, Jun 23, 2018.
Fair comments. I have them all as grade B but you can label some of them B- and others B+
I think with plus minus you really need to watch the games though as it can be tough when people just look at the stat. I watched a ton of Harris this year as I saw most of his games and for an kid that had just turned 18 a few months before the season started, to be on the top pairing and on his off-side, it play with such poise and make so few mistakes in his own end was very impressive.
That said the stat can also be very flawed at times. Davies was by far their best defensemen and yet he was only a +8 yet Shea lead the team in plus minus and I would have never expected that as he was solid but not their best D as him and Williams formed a solid 2nd pairing.
This year will be very interesting to see as he won't have Davies/Primeau around and will likely be looked upon to carry much more of the load.
Jordan Harris on USA's roster for the summer camp:
Good! I was hoping for it but mostly expected he wouldn't get it. He's got a big 2019-2020 ahead of him regardless of that but it's always good experience for a prospect.
I thought he would be at the summer camp but not expecting him to make the team unless he has a very good start to the season.
I'd say Wilde, York, Samuelsson and Miller are locks. Will be tough for Harris to crack the roster.
Had a really strong camp I thought. He's a fantastic skater. Really love how fast he closes on guys. He's developing really well. It would be great if made Team U.S.A. I guess we'll see on that one. That'll be a really strong team this year. Struble is also in the running for that team.
Habs are doing some great work finding quality D prospects outside the first round. (Brook, Romanov, Fleury, Struble, Harris, etc.)
yeah give Timmins some 2nd round picks in a draft year that isn't horrible in that round and he seems to do well. There's been plenty of bad picks under his watch for sure (whether they were all his is up for debate) but the guy has had a lot of drafts with no 2nds. It makes it all the harder. I like what we've been doing of late draft wise.
Harris is good !
I just finished watching your vid when you posted it. Harris really is excellent. You did a good job with Norlinder as well. All in all, the prospect pool is deep at defense.
Excellent video. This kid is going to surprise many imo. I wouldn't be completely shocked if he ends up leading the pecking order in a few years.
Nicely done ! I like those, and you're very right on what youre saying. One thing that could work though is talk a bit about the shortcomings of the prospects, as an example, Harris is really nice and all but he seems to have a bit of a Mete-itis where he just can't get puck through, or he doesn't want to.
Also not crazy about saying he'll end up as a McDonagh type as McDonagh had a few seasons where he was really good, especially in the POs.
He looks so good defensively in that video! Seems like at the very least an effective #5-6 almost already.
Just realized that his dad is black. Not hugely important, but cool that we will have 2 mixed race prospects both playing LD for Northeastern next season
If Ruscheinski improves maybe we can make it 3 lol
Love the quick cross skating ability, puck handling ability and his crisp first/outlet pass. Absolutely love it.
I wonder if Harris and Brook will play together one day. Assuming they mature anywhere close to their ceilings, that's when you pull out the popcorn and enjoy the peace of mind.
I'm pretty sure McNiven is too .
I thought McNiven (and Tyszka) were of Native American descent but never found any confirmation one way or the other
I could swear I read something about McNiven being of african descent when he got signed but I can't remember where the info came from so I might be wrong/thinking of someone else. It's always nice to have some representation in any case.
I am thinking his ceiling at this point is at least that of Cal de Haan ( not saying he will achieve it) , which is a good ceiling. Skates well, transitions well, plays good D. If there is more offense there, then great.
He really is although the big test will be next season as he won't have one of the best goalies in the NCAA there. That said the amount of mistake free hockey he plays is impressive. I know the whole plus minus debate and all but for Harris it's not his +21 in 39 games that's so impressive imo, it's the fact that in 34 of those games he was either Even or a plus player.
So for a kid that turned 18 just a few months before the season started, to be on the top pairing on a team that is top 10 or so ranked in the league, that's impressive but even moreso when he's used on his off-side and then the fact that all of that and he was only a minus player in 5 games.
In those 5 minus games, 2 of them came in the first month of his NCAA career, once he got adjusted to the level he was only a minus player in 3 of 31 games and the 3rd of those came in the final game of the season in the NCAA tourny in a 5-1 blowout where he was a -1 on a rare bad night for Primeau.
He really is underrated by many.
You can really see his game translating to the pros as his skating is fantastic and he appears to have an advanced hockey IQ despite very little high level experience. I love the saucer passes, the patience and the decisiveness the kid really values possession and that will endear him to coaches at the next levels.
Timmins and his staff have really seemed to go all in on great skating blueliners which is nice to see. Harris impressed the hell out of me as I saw most of his games, I just couldn't get over how smoothly he translated his game from the Northeastern Prep league to top pairing in one of the big 3 conferences in the NCAA. He played with so much poise, never got rattled although maybe it had something to do with having such a great goalie behind him that also seemed to never get rattled.
Loved his speed, but man I LOVED his offensive IQ at the camp. If you have elite iq and speed you are going to be an NHLer
thanks for this. My first in-depth look at him. Looks pretty strong for his size.
Hard to gauge his offensive upside as a freshman D. I see some good and some bad with the puck but again it's amazing he even played on a top pairing as an 18 y/o freshman. Might not be huge offensive upside but possibly more than you give credit for.
He's our very own "Logic"
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