Speculation: 2018-19 Roster Thread III

[dracom]

Shore has better hands than Cogliano. And that's it.

that's not really saying much.

personally i don't understand what shore does that's good at all. I put him on the same level as Gibbons.

 

[duxfan1101]

Taking contracts into account, I take Shore pretty easily over Cogs, at least in our current state.

 

[MMC]

that's not really saying much.

personally i don't understand what shore does that's good at all. I put him on the same level as Gibbons.

I can understand not liking Shore but posts like this are just ridiculous. Shore is 5x the player Gibbons is.

 

[dracom]

I can understand not liking Shore but posts like this are just ridiculous. Shore is 5x the player Gibbons is.

ok, tell me how then instead of just saying I'm being ridiculous.

 

[MMC]

ok, tell me how then instead of just saying I'm being ridiculous.

Let's start with the fact that he has 1 less point in 31 less games.

 

[dracom]

Let's start with the fact that he has 1 less point in 31 less games.

ok. Gibbons was also playing on an offensively challenged team all year on the 4th line. Still don't really see him being all that useful whenever I see him play, same kind of impact as Gibbons. both meh players. neither are worth arguing over

 

[snarktacular]

Whats our record without kase ? That record is way more indicative of that.

Points with Kase: 0.517
Points without Kase: 0.397

Cogs "makes a bigger difference." The dropoff is bigger with Cogs. (No it's clearly not just that).

Besides, Relying on Kase to play games and contribute just seems like folly.

It would be interesting to look at goal differential, and even the advanced stats for this.

 

[Anaheim4ever]

Taking contracts into account, I take Shore pretty easily over Cogs, at least in our current state.

& its easier to move Shore for a draft pick to completely shed the contract.

 

[duckpuck]

ok, tell me how then instead of just saying I'm being ridiculous.

If you watched tonight's game, you should now fully understand why Shore>Cogs given their contracts and ages. Against the Caps, Shore made 3-4 passes that led directly to great scoring opportunities (including one with a very nice stick handling move before feeding Lindholm). In his time in Anaheim, I can't recall Cogs making many plays like that, if any. Cogs did other things and was a good guy, but at this point I'd much rather have Shore (particularly because of contract). Cogs brings value to a veteran team that is in its window; that's not the ducks. Let the young kids play and shed the contract.

And to be clear, I have no particular attachment to shore. He's ok, but I'd move him without hesitation if there was a decent offer of a draft pick or cheaper player.

 

[The Midnight Burrito]

If you watched tonight's game, you should now fully understand why Shore>Cogs given their contracts and ages. Against the Caps, Shore made 3-4 passes that led directly to great scoring opportunities (including one with a very nice stick handling move before feeding Lindholm). In his time in Anaheim, I can't recall Cogs making many plays like that, if any. Cogs did other things and was a good guy, but at this point I'd much rather have Shore (particularly because of contract). Cogs brings value to a veteran team that is in its window; that's not the ducks. Let the young kids play and shed the contract.

And to be clear, I have no particular attachment to shore. He's ok, but I'd move him without hesitation if there was a decent offer of a draft pick or cheaper player.

Cogs was constantly dogged for not converting on his many chances. Hmm.

 

[dracom]

If you watched tonight's game, you should now fully understand why Shore>Cogs given their contracts and ages. Against the Caps, Shore made 3-4 passes that led directly to great scoring opportunities (including one with a very nice stick handling move before feeding Lindholm). In his time in Anaheim, I can't recall Cogs making many plays like that, if any. Cogs did other things and was a good guy, but at this point I'd much rather have Shore (particularly because of contract). Cogs brings value to a veteran team that is in its window; that's not the ducks. Let the young kids play and shed the contract.

And to be clear, I have no particular attachment to shore. He's ok, but I'd move him without hesitation if there was a decent offer of a draft pick or cheaper player.

I never said anything about shore and cogs. I was talking about shore and gibbons. Still don’t really care for shore and find him as useful as gibbons was. Would hardly notice if we stopped playing shore.

 

[bumperkisser]

I never said anything about shore and cogs. I was talking about shore and gibbons. Still don’t really care for shore and find him as useful as gibbons was. Would hardly notice if we stopped playing shore.

The gap between shore and Gibbons is bigger than shore and cogs...

Shores stick handling/shot/driving the net/defense is miles ahead of Gibbons.

 

[duckpuck]

Cogs was constantly dogged for not converting on his many chances. Hmm.

Justifiably - cogs is an awful finisher/shooter. The chances I was referring to were Shore's passes that led to finishing chances for other players (who didn't finish). This was the offensive creativity that Shore brings - not elite but definitely an upgrade.

The gap between shore and Gibbons is bigger than shore and cogs...

Shores stick handling/shot/driving the net/defense is miles ahead of Gibbons.

And ahead of Cogs as well with the possible exception of shutdown line defense.

 

[Ducks DVM]

Shore and Cogliano are essentially the same person as far as setting things up. They both hover right above or right below 20 assists per season. I’m not sure how fair it is to judge Cogliano’s setup
Ability when he’s been stapled to the ghost of Kesler past for the last 2 seasons.

 

[AngelDuck]

You guys are arguing over replacement level hockey players.

For the baseball fans out there, these guys are 0-1 WAR players at best.

The move was made to get cheaper and have less term committed to old players.

 

[Static]

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

Hmmm. Not sure what that's all about. Nobody will claim him with that contract and not having played the last 1 2/3 years. Yeah, they could send him down but still don't see the point.

 

[Static]

Hmmm. Not sure what that's all about. Nobody will claim him with that contract and not having played the last 1 2/3 years. Yeah, they could send him down but still don't see the point.

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

Well, yeah, I did say that. But I didn't know we had a shortage of roster spots for so many call ups. Bob had just previously said he wanted to be careful and not upset the success in SD as well as expressing concern to not expose the young players to any bad environment (my paraphrase) in ANA.

Pretty much a non event but I was still surprised.

 

[pbgoalie]

Shore has better hands than Cogliano. And that's it.

Venus de Milo May have better hands than Cogs

 

[MMC]

Eaves been sent down, Gibbons still has not been

 

[The Midnight Burrito]

Justifiably - cogs is an awful finisher/shooter. The chances I was referring to were Shore's passes that led to finishing chances for other players (who didn't finish). This was the offensive creativity that Shore brings - not elite but definitely an upgrade.

Point being that Cogs created plenty of chances, which in his case, was treated as a negative. Shore is benefiting from the holy trinity of HF talking points: relative youth, relative cost, and the appearance of skill, specifically playmaking (aka danglez). Does he ACTUALLY bring more in terms of results, either offensive or defensive? No. But that's the narrative because HF values youth and cap space above all, with highlight reels a close third. Maybe he'll bring more going forward...maybe. But we're not in the future yet.

 

[JohnnyDrama]

Man people are getting fixated on this trade way more than they should be. Cogs is a fan favourite I get it but he was awful this year, does anyone actually believe our team is that much different with either or? Shore has been playing well with us while being cheaper and 7 years younger...what’s the problem?

 

[ZzZz]

Man people are getting fixated on this trade way more than they should be. Cogs is a fan favourite I get it but he was awful this year, does anyone actually believe our team is that much different with either or? Shore has been playing well with us while being cheaper and 7 years younger...what’s the problem?

They want to blame Kesler and not Cogliano. They also talk about Kesler like he's the slowest guy in the league, even though he skates just as fast as almost every one else on this team.

 

[branmuffin17]

Sounds like Silf is here to stay.


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So, hearing it's a 5 year extension, which...I'm not sure people will be happy about. Crossing fingers that it's a reasonable cost. We can't afford another Henrique contract. Even 4M would be a lot at this point, though I'm sure an influx of young players from our prospect pool next year will alleviate some of that.