League News: 2018-19 NHL Talk - (News n' Scores n' Stuff) Vol. 2

[Melkor]

No, they're not. Carlson skates 26 minutes/night and is an all-situation 1RD that QBs the league's best PP and eats PK minutes. He is growing into a top-10 defenseman in the NHL. Two young wingers are not worth more than that.

Two young wingers who already perform at a high level with potential through the roof. Their combined trade worth is definitely higher.

 

[um]

Leafs would overpay big time for a guy for Carlson because teams don’t trade 1Ds very often. And we’re definitely not the team to do it since our defensive depth is... meh.

Value is relevant but team needs are far more relevant, and we don’t need Nylander enough to trade important roster players

 

[shtorm2005]

Also Carlson is a SC champion.

 

[Calicaps]

Carlson is a Norris contender. You don’t trade that for a winger... or even 2.

 

[Melkor]

Carlson worth more than each of them, no doubt but let's not act like he's a Karlsson or Doughty in their best days. Until last year he's been a lower-end #1 D and many here have even been questioning his future with the team.

As for the trade, I'd offer Orlov for Nylander straight up.

 

[Calicaps]

Carlson worth more than each of them, no doubt but let's not act like he's a Karlsson or Doughty in their best days. Until last year he's been a lower-end #1 D and many here have even been questioning his future with the team.

As for the trade, I'd offer Orlov for Nylander straight up.

No one is saying he’s in that tier, but he has continued to grow as a player even to this point. He’s a playoff gamer, and he’s signed long term.

And the same metric goes for Nylander and Marner. They are really good players, but let’s not pretend they are Ovie or even Oshie caliber at this point.

Orlov for Nylander tho, yeah, I’d look hard at that.

 

[ovikovy817]

Carlson is more valuable to us right now than a 1C, so even think about this idea (to trade him for a winger), it's crazy.

 

[Melkor]

No one is saying he’s in that tier, but he has continued to grow as a player even to this point. He’s a playoff gamer, and he’s signed long term.

And the same metric goes for Nylander and Mariner. They are really good players, but let’s not pretend they are Ovie or even Oshie caliber at this point.

Orlov for Nylander tho, yeah, I’d look hard at that.

Tbh initially I thought Niskanen would be a better fit for them and for us since he's an aging player and due a decline and at the same time he's a righty and that's what Leafs need. But at the end of the day he's still a better player than Orlov. Not that flashy coming up the ice with the puck as Orlov but Orlov has nothing on him offensively over all these years points-wise and Nisky is a superior player in his own end.

Both Marner and Nylander are Oshie level as offensive players. Marner already ahead. Oshie is a beast defensively tho.

 

[trick9]

I wouldn't trade neither for Nylander. Not that WN isn't a good player, just not really what we need at that cost.

 

[AlexBrovechkin8]

Carlson worth more than each of them, no doubt but let's not act like he's a Karlsson or Doughty in their best days. Until last year he's been a lower-end #1 D and many here have even been questioning his future with the team.

As for the trade, I'd offer Orlov for Nylander straight up.

I'm not sure at this point that we've seen Carlson's best days. He's been getting better and better the past two years.

 

[Raikkonen]

I'm not sure at this point that we've seen Carlson's best days. He's been getting better and better the past two years.

Right, we could have seen Karlsson's and Doughty's best days perhaps, so Carlson is better and cheaper now.

 

[Calicaps]

Tbh initially I thought Niskanen would be a better fit for them and for us since he's an aging player and due a decline and at the same time he's a righty and that's what Leafs need. But at the end of the day he's still a better player than Orlov. Not that flashy coming up the ice with the puck as Orlov but Orlov has nothing on him offensively over all these years points-wise and Nisky is a superior player in his own end.

Both Marner and Nylander are Oshie level as offensive players. Marner already ahead. Oshie is a beast defensively tho.

Oshie is heart and soul too. Marner may be getting there. Nylander, obviously isn’t.

 

[Dr John Carlson]

I'm really high on Marner, but really low on Nylander. I might honestly rather do something like Marner + Liljegren for Carlson than Marner + Nylander.

Not that I'd actually make those trades, though.

 

[Melkor]

I'm really high on Marner, but really low on Nylander. I might honestly rather do something like Marner + Liljegren for Carlson than Marner + Nylander.

Not that I'd actually make those trades, though.

So are you suggesting that Liljegren is a better player than Nylander?

 

[Dr John Carlson]

So are you suggesting that Liljegren is a better player than Nylander?

Obviously not, but if Carlson were to be traded then I'd want a RD back. I'm not big enough on Nylander to believe the difference in ability between him and Liljegren outweighs the positional/need difference.

 

[Melkor]

Obviously not, but if Carlson were to be traded then I'd want a RD back. I'm not big enough on Nylander to believe the difference in ability between him and Liljegren outweighs the positional/need difference.

I'm not sure Liljegren will ever be a regular NHLer so the difference in ability definitely outweighs the positional need in this case at least at this point. Better get Marner+Nylander and trade some of the forwards on a current roster for RD and go with it. Hypotetically speaking, of course.

 

[Silky mitts]

I did not think the Neal deal was terrible but it is immediately terrible

 

[Sam Spade]

I did not think the Neal deal was terrible but it is immediately terrible

Funny thing is his "replacement" Pacioretty only has two points in 14 games.

Only five more seasons left for both players.

 

[Melkor]

The way Pacioretty is these days is the reason why Caps should not go for rentals or 30+ years olds if they trade Burakovsky+. Get a cheap, young forward with similar problems in a straight up trade and try to make it work.

 

[maacoshark]

The way Pacioretty is these days is the reason why Caps should not go for rentals or 30+ years olds if they trade Burakovsky+. Get a cheap, young forward with similar problems in a straight up trade and try to make it work.

That or a draft pick.

 

[Sam Spade]

Gary Bettman is legend:

 

[895]

Considering the contract Wilson signed and his contributions to this team so far this season, not sure we have room to make fun of Calgary.

 

[g00n]

Considering the contract Wilson signed and his contributions to this team so far this season, not sure we have room to make fun of Calgary.

I think my eyes just rolled right out of my head.

 

[Ridley Simon]

I think my eyes just rolled right out of my head.

Hes been hating on the Caps for a few weeks now. Pay him no heed

 

[maacoshark]

I think my eyes just rolled right out of my head.

Not sure why you are rolling your eyes. Wilson hasn't contributed anything for the caps this season.
I'm hoping Wilson's return can spark this team.

 

[g00n]

Not sure why you are rolling your eyes. Wilson hasn't contributed anything for the caps this season.
I'm hoping Wilson's return can spark this team.

DON'T TALK TO MEEE!!!

I will spell it out.

It's asinine to compare Neal and Wilson this season when the latter hasn't "contributed" anything this year solely because he hasn't been permitted to play. His haters will argue that such an eventuality should have been part of the contract considerations but that dives into the deep calculus of the discussion we've been having in the TW thread about double standards and mixed signals from the league.

It's a cheap dig by someone who has been banging that drum for a while, and it has nothing to do with the topic.