Transfer: 2017 Summer Transfer Discussion Part III

[Savant]

If Arsenal bidding 40,000,001 for Suarez wasn't punished for tapping up, than nothing should be quite honestly.

 

[Chimaera]

The irony is watching Liverpool fans, the self appointed people's club, meltdown and basically scream "sell him! we're giving 50m you little **** club" at Southampton.

I haven't seen anyone go berserk.

 

[phisherman]

If Arsenal bidding 40,000,001 for Suarez wasn't punished for tapping up, than nothing should be quite honestly.

How would that be tapping up? They actually placed a bid.

 

[Evilo]

If Arsenal bidding 40,000,001 for Suarez wasn't punished for tapping up, than nothing should be quite honestly.

Not sure I understand the reasonning.
Arsenal made a bid, so...?

 

[Live in the Now]

As regards to van Dijk, everyone should just wait to see what happens.

I'm sure this isn't over just because Southampton said he was staying there. If they don't raise his wage to what big clubs are offering, he will start becoming a problem.

Example: http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/11315980.Lovren_to_force_exit_from_Saints_with_pre_season_no_show/

 

[Evilo]

As regards to van Dijk, everyone should just wait to see what happens.

I'm sure this isn't over just because Southampton said he was staying there. If they don't raise his wage to what big clubs are offering, he will start becoming a problem.

Example: http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/11315980.Lovren_to_force_exit_from_Saints_with_pre_season_no_show/

I remember when Payet did this to St Etienne to force a move to PSG. Kombouare (then PSG coach), said he dropped any interest in a player capable of doing this to his club while under contract.

 

[Savant]

Not sure I understand the reasonning.
Arsenal made a bid, so...?

They tampered, knew the exact release cause because they tampered, and added exactly £1 to it so they would be over it. That was a joke.

 

[Evilo]

I don't think clauses are confidential.

 

[phisherman]

They tampered, knew the exact release cause because they tampered, and added exactly £1 to it so they would be over it. That was a joke.

I can turn it around and say Liverpool acted illegally when they admitted there actually was a release clause but didn't honour it.

At the time Liverpool were adamant that the Gunners' bid would not trigger the release of their striker, but Henry, speaking at the MIT Sloan Sports Analytics Conference, appears to have suggested that the Reds simply took a hard line because "apparently these contracts don't seem to hold".

"Luis Suarez is the top scorer in the English Premier League, which is arguably the top soccer league in the world," Henry is reported to have said. "He had a buyout clause of £40m. Arsenal, one of our prime rivals, offered £40m plus £1. What we've found … is that contracts don't seem to mean a lot in England – actually, in world football.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2014/mar/02/liverpool-john-henry-luis-suarez-clause

 

[Savant]

I don't think clauses are confidential.

In England they usually are.

 

[Savant]

I can turn it around and say Liverpool acted illegally when they admitted there actually was a release clause but didn't honour it.

At the time Liverpool were adamant that the Gunners' bid would not trigger the release of their striker, but Henry, speaking at the MIT Sloan Sports Analytics Conference, appears to have suggested that the Reds simply took a hard line because "apparently these contracts don't seem to hold".

"Luis Suarez is the top scorer in the English Premier League, which is arguably the top soccer league in the world," Henry is reported to have said. "He had a buyout clause of £40m. Arsenal, one of our prime rivals, offered £40m plus £1. What we've found … is that contracts don't seem to mean a lot in England – actually, in world football.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2014/mar/02/liverpool-john-henry-luis-suarez-clause

Well Gerrard convinced Suarez not to honor it and Suarez decided to stay. If Suarez was more passionate about leaving he could have forced the move.

 

[phisherman]

Well Gerrard convinced Suarez not to honor it and Suarez decided to stay. If Suarez was more passionate about leaving he could have forced the move.

That has nothing to do with it. Once the buyout clause was met Arsenal and Suarez would've been free to talk to each other.

But they completely prevented him them from making contact with each other.

You can spin it all you want but Liverpool are no angels when it comes to following transfer rules.

 

[Savant]

That has nothing to do with it. Once the buyout clause was met Arsenal and Suarez would've been free to talk to each other.

But they completely prevented him them from making contact with each other.

You can spin it all you want but Liverpool are no angels when it comes to following transfer rules.

Right. But they talked BEFORE they made the bid. Which is how they knew the exact number of the release clause, the figures are not publicized in England and they are not standard on contracts. That's not exactly spin.

If Arsenal didn't talk to him in advance how would they know what number to bid + 1 quid to?

 

[Gecklund]

You can spin it all you want but Liverpool are no angels when it comes to following transfer rules.

Most teams aren't angels with transfer rules

 

[Live in the Now]

Yahoo now claiming that van Dijk's agent is wanting to push through the Liverpool offer as he'd get by far the most money from it compared to from other clubs, and van Dijk is going to throw a fit. They also claim that Klopp sent van Dijk regular video messages. They also say Southampton won't sell, but we'll see about that.

If they don't sell him, ultimately their recruitment will suffer the most.

 

[Bon Esprit]

For what it's worth and it's a rumour:

Bayern München is interested in Alexis Sanchez from Arsenal.
This ain't new by any means and it was reported weeks ago.

New is that Bayern might be willing to sell Boateng. Chelsea might be interested.

Original source is kicker

German link

http://www.focus.de/sport/fussball/...-spielt-ploetzlich-eine-rolle_id_7232293.html

 

[Savant]

Most teams aren't angels with transfer rules

Exactly

 

[phisherman]

Exactly

Well yea. But most teams don't get complaints lodged against them or receive academy transfer bans either.

 

[Power Man]

Ghoulam, Mertens and Insigne have signed new deals with Napoli

 

[Corto]

They also claim that Klopp sent van Dijk regular video messages.

"Hi, Virgil, I hope you are well. I hope next seasono we spend together. Good luck for the next year as you are in my plan"

The old reverse Conte from Klopp, I expect.

Conte's text message to Costa: “Hi Diego, I hope you are well. Thanks for the seasono [sic] we spent together. Good luck for the next year but you are not in my plan”

 

[Cassano]

 

[cgf]

I don't think clauses are confidential.

They are in germany. It is illegal to know them, so it's technically illegal for a club in germany to buy a player via a buyout clause.

 

[bleedblue1223]

They are in germany. It is illegal to know them, so it's technically illegal for a club in germany to buy a player via a buyout clause.

Well isn't it intended to be that if some team just happens to bid over the unspecified amount, then they the player and the team can discuss personal terms. The bidding team isn't suppose to know it exists, but if they hit it, then it triggers it.

Since all this stuff gets leaked, it doesn't really work like it should though.

 

[S E P H]

Why even have buy-out clauses in contracts if they're illegal in two of the most prominent footballing world?

 

[joe89]

Lindelof to United is close.

Swedish media calling the transfer "small details away": https://www.fotbollskanalen.se/sver...len-lindelof-detaljer-fran-manchester-united/