Speculation: 2017 Offseason Roster Discussion II

[rt]

Such a lazy tweet. There's no way to know if he's offering his advice to the Rangers or if he's sharing the impression he gets from the Rangers.

 

[moosemeister]

I never imagined this team had a chance in trading for Stepan.

I'm still holding out for Bozak though.

 

[Grimes]

Yeah that is poorly written. You know how NYR can get a top pair RHD? By trading Stepan for futures and signing Shattenkirk.

How much space did they get from the Girardi buyout? Enough to resign their RFA's? Or enough to resign RFA's and add a big UFA?

 

[Grimes]

I never imagined this team had a chance in trading for Stepan.

I'm still holding out for Bozak though.

Bozak and EJ are on my tier below Stepan and Dumba/Brodin. I also circle back to Bozak and thing he would be a nice fit. He can be a 2C if he plays with creative/skilled wingers. We have a plenty of those.

 

[AZviaNJ]

Such a lazy tweet. There's no way to know if he's offering his advice to the Rangers or if he's sharing the impression he gets from the Rangers.

Larry Brooks is a jerk. Been doing this job too long and seems to take great pleasure second guessing and antagonizing coaches/players (see Torts and Boyle). That was a "I'm on vacation, leave me alone" type tweet.

 

[TheLegend]

Larry Brooks is a jerk. Been doing this job too long and seems to take great pleasure second guessing and antagonizing coaches/players (see Torts and Boyle). That was a "I'm on vacation, leave me alone" type tweet.

Yeah... I still recall when he broke the story about Barroway backing out of buying into the Coyotes back in 2015 and said he had three confirmations of it.

 

[Jamieh]

Where is the top pairing RD in that example?? It surely ain't Shattenkirk unless he US going to be a lot better than he was in the past.

Yeah that is poorly written. You know how NYR can get a top pair RHD? By trading Stepan for futures and signing Shattenkirk.

How much space did they get from the Girardi buyout? Enough to resign their RFA's? Or enough to resign RFA's and add a big UFA?

 

[PhoPhan]

Depending on how things shake out between now and July 1, I wonder whether the Coyotes take a run at Franson. He's basically the player everyone seems to think Michael Stone was: solid #4 with size and a shot.

 

[IPreferPi]

Depending on how things shake out between now and July 1, I wonder whether the Coyotes take a run at Franson. He's basically the player everyone seems to think Michael Stone was: solid #4 with size and a shot.

Franson at this stage is a third pairing PP specialist with crappy skating. I'd rather give those minutes to DeAngelo.

 

[PhoPhan]

Franson at this stage is a third pairing PP specialist with crappy skating. I'd rather give those minutes to DeAngelo.

But that's what Stone is, too, and Franson is a better defender. One way or another, I'd bet they add another RHD before the season starts, even if Schenn sticks around.

 

[rt]

I can't believe how quiet it's been. I expected a dozen trades. Maybe tomorrow?

 

[IPreferPi]

But that's what Stone is, too, and Franson is a better defender. One way or another, I'd bet they add another RHD before the season starts, even if Schenn sticks around.

Debatable if Franson is a better defender than Stone.

I think we'll add another RHD, but I think it'll be more along the lines of Polak or Engelland or even Girardi than Franson.

 

[Mosby]

Another idea I had was can we make a Dumba trade more palatable for the Wild if we agree to take on Pominville in the deal?

Don't know that they're looking to dump him, but he's 34 and his production hasn't been off the charts (47 points last year) so I imagine they're open to it. They could use the cap relief elsewhere or sign a replacement in UFA, like Oshie. Would also free up another expansion protection slot for the Wild.

As for Pominville, he's a right-shot RW, and obviously a veteran. We're short in both of those categories. Contract has 2 years left at 5.6 mil cap hit (10 mil in real dollars, including a 2.5 mil signing bonus).

Pominville has a 10-team no-trade list, and we're probably on it, but who knows.

 

[rt]

I think Pominville has low value but not negative value.

 

[lanky]

I like

 

[_Del_]

I think we'll add another RHD, but I think it'll be more along the lines of Polak or Engelland or even Girardi than Franson.

That's my guess. Especially if Schenn goes. I like all those guys for what they are.

 

[zerekstar]

Another idea I had was can we make a Dumba trade more palatable for the Wild if we agree to take on Pominville in the deal?

Don't know that they're looking to dump him, but he's 34 and his production hasn't been off the charts (47 points last year) so I imagine they're open to it. They could use the cap relief elsewhere or sign a replacement in UFA, like Oshie. Would also free up another expansion protection slot for the Wild.

As for Pominville, he's a right-shot RW, and obviously a veteran. We're short in both of those categories. Contract has 2 years left at 5.6 mil cap hit (10 mil in real dollars, including a 2.5 mil signing bonus).

Pominville has a 10-team no-trade list, and we're probably on it, but who knows.

I think this would be a good trade if we could pull it off. Pominville would be a usable player and as you mentioned, comes with a right shot.

 

[rt]

I think this would be a good trade if we could pull it off. Pominville would be a usable player and as you mentioned, comes with a right shot.

Which is why I don't think his inclusion drops the price on Dumba. I don't think you pay less for Dumba just because Pominville is also in the deal.

Also, it seems like Minnesota is better served losing one D for nothing than losing one D for less than ideal value and then losing another D for nothing anyway. I wouldn't be shocked if Minnesota just stands pat and watches Vegas scoop up an excellent defenseman from their team at no cost.

 

[_Del_]

Yeah. The whole point is to try to mitigate the damage to the excellent dcorps.

Rolling Brodin, Spurgeon, Suter, Scandella, plus the rest( Folin, Olafsson, Reilly maybe whatever UFA) next year is way better for them than Brodin, Spurgeon, Suter, and the rest plus a guy like DeAngelo and a first. It's a playoff team. Having four very good d let's them still eat heavy, heavy minutes and shelter the third pairing. Can't do that with Folin and/or a DeAngelo in the top four. It sucks that they'll lose Dumba, but why lose Dumba for peanuts AND lose Spurgeon for nothing?

 

[Mosby]

I'm surprised we haven't heard more talk of a shakeup in Minnesota. This was a top team that got their ***** handed to them in Round 1.

 

[rt]

Yeah. The whole point is to try to mitigate the damage to the excellent dcorps.

Rolling Brodin, Spurgeon, Suter, Scandella, plus the rest( Folin, Olafsson, Reilly maybe whatever UFA) next year is way better for them than Brodin, Spurgeon, Suter, and the rest plus a guy like DeAngelo and a first. It's a playoff team. Having four very good d let's them still eat heavy, heavy minutes and shelter the third pairing. Can't do that with Folin and/or a DeAngelo in the top four. It sucks that they'll lose Dumba, but why lose Dumba for peanuts AND lose Spurgeon for nothing?

I'm surprised we haven't heard more talk of a shakeup in Minnesota. This was a top team that got their ***** handed to them in Round 1.

Shannon says it's 50/50 they move a D vs just let one go.

 

[Mosby]

Maybe they're more open to losing a forward considering the amount of scoring prospects they'll be inserting over the next season or two? (Kunin, Greenway, Kaprizov, JEE, Tuch, etc).

If they were to deal Dumba + Pominville they could protect all 4 D (Suter, Brodin, Scandella, Spurgeon) and then Koivu, Parise, Granlund, Nino

This exposes Staal, Coyle, Zucker

Do you then pay another asset to get LV to take (LV native) Zucker over Coyle?


So they either:

A) Stand pat and expose Staal, Dumba, and Scandella. They lose one for free, and likely pay LV to not pick Dumba

B) They deal Dumba + Pominville for some level of return from AZ, and then lose Coyle to LV. Or Dumba + Pominville to AZ, plus Zucker+asset to LV

 

[Mosby]

 

[hbk]

Nick Cousins apparently. LeBrun source.

 

[SR]

Nick Cousins for a pick.