Confirmed with Link: 2017-18 roster talk, part 7; July 11: Scott Laughton, 2-yrs, $962.5k per

[Alex K]

We need even more toughness ...

Weal for A. Roussel.
Raffl for C. Mcleod.
Vecchione for M.Haley and a third.
Varone for Rinaldo and a fifth.
Leier and a 2nd for M. Martin.
Konecny for T.Wilson and a first.

Yep, Giroux for Kopitar, Voracek for Ovi and MacDonald for sandwiches)

 

[TheKingPin]

MacDonald had no business on the PK because of lack of strength, but yet the stronger Gudas averaged only 1:54 in SH TOI compared to 2:50 for MacDonald.

Seems like it would have been pretty easy to play Gudas more on the PK and MacDonald less, and MDZ and Schultz wouldn't have even come into it.

One potential is that Hak plays guys he puts in the lineup and plays them a lot. We saw it several times where a player would be benched and then play a lot of minutes the next game. Provy gets a ton of minutes as a rookie. Amac was sent to the phantoms the year before. Last year he was played a lot. This year we have more options but no salary concerns. Just saying it is possible that he doesn't play him as much as he did last year. Plus you only have so long to teach a rookie good habits. You have to get them in there.


When are we going to sign the Russian?!

 

[The Madrigal]

He'd get talked about more if he were a 2nd rounder.

If he was drafted in the 2nd round, with that shot and speed, he'd be viewed far more favorably.

Agreed, if he was drafted 10-15 spots later the perception of him would be much different in his favor. I think it's safe to say at this point he will never live up to the "hype" of being a first round pick but he still has all of the tools to be a really good bottom 6 forward. Flyers fans are spoiled by the fact that they have gotten gems like Gagne, Williams, Giroux, etc late in the first round. Most teams don't hit at as high of a rate as the Flyers have with late first round picks.

 

[Rebels57]

Interesting words from JR on Giroux. I agree.

http://www.csnphilly.com/philadelph...claude-giroux-he-lets-everything-get-his-mind

 

[bauer]

Interesting words from JR on Giroux. I agree.

http://www.csnphilly.com/philadelph...claude-giroux-he-lets-everything-get-his-mind

JR is right. i fully believe Giroux will bounce back. if he plays 80+ games i think he reaches 70 points again.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

 

[JojoTheWhale]

They were the last 3 RFAs left?

 

[ajgoal]

They were the last 3 RFAs left?

Yep. All let's left now is Patrick, and Hischier just signed his ELC.

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

did Lyon just get out of bed before that photo was taken?

 

[David St Hubbins]

did Lyon just get out of bed before that photo was taken?

He was probably running for the bus because he had to finish studying for his algebra 2 exam.

 

[Curufinwe]

Bardreau deal.

https://www.capfriendly.com/players/cole-bardreau

 

[MacDonald4MVP]

Bardreau deal.

https://www.capfriendly.com/players/cole-bardreau

It is nice to have bodies on farm that aren't some over the hill grinders. Speaking of aging players, I just hope Umby doesn't get Ahl deal once he is cut by Dallas.

 

[deadhead]

No, they're under the hill grinders.

I doubt Martel, Bardeau or Leier see the ice in Philly for more than a game or two the next couple years. There are just too many talented forwards in the pipeline arriving the next few years. Even a player like AK has to step up this year or he'll become an after thought.

 

[Maurice of Orange]

Lehigh Valley Phantoms Line-Up 2017-18

Line 1 LW Leier C Varone RW McDonald
Line 2 LW Martel C Vecchione RW Aube-Kubel
Line 3 LW Carey C Knight RW Conner*
Line 4 LW Hulak* C Vorobyov RW Bardreau

1st D-Pair LD Brennan RD Myers
2nd D-Pair LD Sanheim RD Alt
3rd D-Pair LD O'Neill RD Friedman

Goalie's:
Starter: Stolarz
Backup: Lyon

Scratched List:
C Fazleev
RD Wilcox
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Reading Royals ECHL
LW Goulbourne
LW Swavely* < 1st forward callup to Lehigh Valley
RW Willows*
RD Hora* < 1st d-man callup to Lehigh Valley < no other options as of yet
G Muse* < 1st goalie callup to Lehigh Valley
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* Under AHL contract to Phantoms

Edited.........

 

[Flyerfan13]

Lehigh Valley Phantoms Line-Up 2017-18

Line 1 LW Leier C Knight RW McDonald
Line 2 LW Martel C Vecchione RW Aube-Kubel
Line 3 LW Carey C Varone RW Conner*
Line 4 LW Bardreau C Vorobyov RW Fazleev

1st D-Pair LD Brennan RD Myers
2nd D-Pair LD Sanheim RD Alt
3rd D-Pair LD O'Neill RD Friedman

Goalie's:
Starter: Stolarz
Backup: Lyon
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Reading Royals ECHL
LW Goulbourne
LW Hulak* < 1st forward callup to Lehigh Valley
LW Swavely*
RW Willows*
RD Wilcox < 1st d-man callup to Lehigh Valley, send down and recalled between AHL & ECHL
RD Hora*
G Muse* < 1st goalie callup to Lehigh Valley
------------------------
* Under AHL contract to Phantoms

Hulak is a 40 pt. ahl player the last 3 years I don't see him in reading the phantoms will carry at least an extra forward and extra Dman

 

[Curufinwe]

Hulak only had 5 points in 17 games last year so he must be coming off some kind of injury.

http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=13821

 

[deadhead]

Hulak only had 5 points in 17 games last year so he must be coming off some kind of injury.

http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=13821

If Vorobyov can't push Varone to LW, not sure about his future.

After playing in the KHL, WJC and being a year older, he shouldn't need to slow cook in the AHL, he's a lot more responsible than a high scorer out of juniors, having played a regular shift in the second best league in the world.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

He's heading into his age 21 season and Varone is a 6 year older AAAA player coached by Scott Gordon. Why are we worrying about anything other than how Vorobyov develops?

 

[Curufinwe]

It's only his age 20 season.

If Vorobyov can't push Varone to LW, not sure about his future.

After playing in the KHL, WJC and being a year older, he shouldn't need to slow cook in the AHL, he's a lot more responsible than a high scorer out of juniors, having played a regular shift in the second best league in the world.

Playing in the top 9 on a stacked AHL team as a 20 year old 4th round pick isn't slow cooking. And Vorobyev only averaged 9:47 a game in the KHL.

If Varone is the 1C it's because Gordon prefers a veteran in that role, not that there's necessarily something wrong with the prospects.

 

[deadhead]

If a player is NHL ready, he's going to push past AHL veterans just off his on ice play - you can say Gordon played "favorites," but Laughton was the 1C at ES, Weal played in the top 6. Leier showed when he came up he's a bottom six guy at best and needs more AHL time. AK didn't shine, Bardeau is a marginal talent, Martel is grossly undersized and so on.

Point is a lot of prospects are decent, but not special and need years to polish their game. Read was a year older than MV when he broke into the Flyer's lineup. Weal needed 3+ AHL seasons to make the transition.

But special players, like Lindblom, force the coach's hand by simply making it obvious that he's the best player on the team.

Vorobyov shouldn't have much of an adjustment to NA hockey coming out of the KHL, so I'd think in the end his PT will be determined by his play, not Gordon's "love" of veterans. If Vorobyov plays a solid two way game, shows he's raised his skating up a notch, and sets up his linemates like he did at the WJC, he'll be in the top six by January.

 

[Curufinwe]

Laughton was 22 and had played in a full NHL season previously.

Vorobyev is 20 and has played limited minutes and limited games compared to an AHL season on the big ice in Russia.

http://en.khl.ru/players/22096/

They're not similar situations.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

It's only his age 20 season.

1/5/97 unless EP is wrong. Should be turning 21 in January.

 

[Curufinwe]

1/5/97 unless EP is wrong. Should be turning 21 in January.

Right, so 17-18 is his age 20 season, like it will be Provorov and Konecny's age 20 seasons.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Now with no guessing on what contracts will be this is hopefully how it shakes out:

Weal - Giroux - Simmonds
Filppula - Couturier - Voracek
Lindblom - Patrick - Konecny
Laughton - Lehtera - Raffl
Read
Weise

Provorov - Gudas
Morin - Gostisbehere
Sanheim - Hagg
MacDonald

Elliot
Neuvirth

That lineup would have $2,507,500 in cap space but someone like Read could potentially be traded with salary retention to free more room. The potential bonus pool would be $5,025,000 with that lineup.

 

[Rebels57]

Now with no guessing on what contracts will be this is hopefully how it shakes out:

Weal - Giroux - Simmonds
Filppula - Couturier - Voracek
Lindblom - Patrick - Konecny
Laughton - Lehtera - Raffl
Read
Weise

Provorov - Gudas
Morin - Gostisbehere
Sanheim - Hagg
MacDonald

Elliot
Neuvirth

That lineup would have $2,507,500 in cap space but someone like Read could potentially be traded with salary retention to free more room. The potential bonus pool would be $5,025,000 with that lineup.

2 rookies on a line with Konecny seems unlikely. Can be solved by shuffling the LW's around.