Todd1a
Kucherov or prospect
I’d rather let Stevie yzerman do his job and build it long term correct he has been doing great so far and we have had chances to get cups in 2016 and 2015 and came close
Ya and howden, Stephens and cirelli will be major upgrades to our bottom six guys we have now
I’d rather let Stevie yzerman do his job and build it long term correct he has been doing great so far and we have had chances to get cups in 2016 and 2015 and came close
I don't get why some people insist on hoarding prospects that we won't even have room for or might not even pan out. Ideally, Howden, Stephens, Cirelli are going to be bottom 6er's. Raddysh and Katchouk might have top 6 upside but even then, our offense is pretty young and full. The fact that we won't move some we won't even notice missing to really enhance winning not 1 cup, but 2 with this roster before big contracts need to be signed, I simply don't agree with. Id rather try now than regret later when some of the prospects we saved don't pan out and we all regret not moving them to help win a cup that is on our finger tips.
It's not hoarding prospects, I'd gladly move Volkov, Cirelli, Yan, Masin and such but it seems like the top 5 all must go to bring in pieces which I have issue with. Let's look at the current roster vs say 20-21 potential one.
Gourde(26) - Stamkos(27) - Kucherov(24)
Palat(26) - Point(21) - Johnson(27)
Killorn(28) - Namestnikov(24) - Conacher(28)
Kunitz(38) - Paquette(24) - Callahan(32)
Peca(24), Erne(22)
Hedman(27) - Dotchin(23)
Sergachev(19) - Stralman(31)
Coburn(32) - Girardi(33)
Sustr(27), Koekkoek(23)
Vasilevskiy(23)
Domingue(25)
? - Stamkos(31) - Kucherov(28)
Palat(30) - Point(25) - Johnson(31)
Killorn(32) - Namestnikov(28) - ?
Erne(26) - Peca(28) - Paquette (28)
Hedman(31) - Dotchin(27)
Sergachev(23) - ?
Koekkoek(27) - ?
Vasilevskiy(27)
Domingue(29)
We still need two top 9 forwards, who knows if Killorn, Johnson, Palat and Namestnikov are still top 9. I doubt Palat and Johnson are top 6 so we need to replace them. The defense has Dotchin top pair and nothing else on the right. Ideally we have Howden, Raddysh and Katchouk in the top 9. Foote, Hajek and Cernak on defense. We move those pieces and we have Yan, Tammela, Sosunov and Spencer trying to fill in. We can add in free agency but that's not a long-term fix, we can draft a few good prospects but they'll need time.
If we can add while only losing one of Howden/Katchouk/Raddysh/Stephens and Foote/Hajek/Cernak while using lesser prospects I'd be all for it, it's the multiple high end prospects and picks I think is a bad idea.
Probably if that’s how long it take who knows we could win the cup this year or next year depends we could get lucky. Yzerman was 30 years old for his first cup and he ended up getting three it worked out for him
Just to confirm I fully believe in not over paying and prospects are important. But to counter your point, there are more drafts until then, there is free agency, etc. These aren't the only prospects we will have for the next 3 years. Cernak is looking good as a RHD and would be ready by then as well. I think we should keep Foote out of the deals as well. And there are 2 open forward spots 3 years later in the projection, and we have how many forward prospects. Not all of them will fit.
Any chance someone can start a poll? Test the fan base to see how many think we should be "all in, win now, give me an all-star upgrade" vs "steady builds the modern cap-era dynasty, just fill the holes with adequate upgrades"
So far, I'm in the camp that Yzerman really is the long-play type of guy that's looking to build the perennial powerhouse, in that us fans don't really have to even worry about making the playoffs year after year, its just a matter of staying healthy and getting hot at the right time a few of those years and then we're the next Chi/Pitt taking home 3 cups in 6, 7, 8 years or so.
It also seems that in this new cap-era, fast-fast-fast style, that running a steady 4&3 lines and having that DEPTH is the key. Whatever happens, I just hope we keep depth and we don't have to be worried every time a Sustr, Paq, whoever else is on the ice because we need a warm body. Get rid of our weak links and we will go far.
We're not the 90's Red Wings, Todd.... you cannot compare the situations even remotely
Why can there be no comparison? How remote is remotely?
Those Wings were real good, for real long. Even won the cup, a few times, during those good years.
Granted, the situations are not identical, but they're not exactly worlds apart either. I'd like to think we can be real good, for real long too, and even bring home a few cups during some of those years. Better than one-and-done, but it could go either way, who really knows.
On a side note, I wouldn't be surprised if we don't make a splash just because all the other GM's are pissed at Yzerman for our current team standings, prospect depth, drafting prowess, etc. and think they are going to stick it to him and he's just gonna give in because he has more to give.
Because there's this thing called a salary cap.
If its possible I'd try and keep Serg in any tradeRangers beat writer proposing:
Mcdonagh at 50%
for...
Sergachev and Callahan
Rangers beat writer proposing:
Mcdonagh at 50%
for...
Sergachev and Callahan
It’s not but by our draft history there not all going to be busts probably 50 percent of them become studs. I want a cup as soon as possible but we got to remain patient and let yzerman draft and develop. If the right trade is there Stevie yzerman will pull the trigger on it.That's not guaranteed, and we aren't trading all of them lol.
Trading sergachev would be the biggest mistake the lightning would ever make in two years he will be a stud probably a top 15 defenseman in the leagueIf its possible I'd try and keep Serg in any trade
Can we also trade cooper for there coach as well lolRangers beat writer proposing:
Mcdonagh at 50%
for...
Sergachev and Callahan
Agreed, which is why I think Yzerman should make a deal and give this team a little boost.And for what it's worth it is highly unlikely that Stamkos will be as good as Yzerman in his 30's. The rest of our team stands to only get older or have its prime wasted by years of contention without ever winning it all
It's not hoarding prospects, I'd gladly move Volkov, Cirelli, Yan, Masin and such but it seems like the top 5 all must go to bring in pieces which I have issue with. Let's look at the current roster vs say 20-21 potential one.
Gourde(26) - Stamkos(27) - Kucherov(24)
Palat(26) - Point(21) - Johnson(27)
Killorn(28) - Namestnikov(24) - Conacher(28)
Kunitz(38) - Paquette(24) - Callahan(32)
Peca(24), Erne(22)
Hedman(27) - Dotchin(23)
Sergachev(19) - Stralman(31)
Coburn(32) - Girardi(33)
Sustr(27), Koekkoek(23)
Vasilevskiy(23)
Domingue(25)
? - Stamkos(31) - Kucherov(28)
Palat(30) - Point(25) - Johnson(31)
Killorn(32) - Namestnikov(28) - ?
Erne(26) - Peca(28) - Paquette (28)
Hedman(31) - Dotchin(27)
Sergachev(23) - ?
Koekkoek(27) - ?
Vasilevskiy(27)
Domingue(29)
We still need two top 9 forwards, who knows if Killorn, Johnson, Palat and Namestnikov are still top 9. I doubt Palat and Johnson are top 6 so we need to replace them. The defense has Dotchin top pair and nothing else on the right. Ideally we have Howden, Raddysh and Katchouk in the top 9. Foote, Hajek and Cernak on defense. We move those pieces and we have Yan, Tammela, Sosunov and Spencer trying to fill in. We can add in free agency but that's not a long-term fix, we can draft a few good prospects but they'll need time.
If we can add while only losing one of Howden/Katchouk/Raddysh/Stephens and Foote/Hajek/Cernak while using lesser prospects I'd be all for it, it's the multiple high end prospects and picks I think is a bad idea.
I can't tell which team that's worse for.