DanielBrassard
It's all so tiresome
If Skjei is ready I could see this, then trade Klein and have Skjei-Boyle as a 3rd pair.
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If Skjei is ready I could see this, then trade Klein and have Skjei-Boyle as a 3rd pair.
Thanks for the input. What will be your reaction when this doesn't happen and Staal, rightfully so, gets more even strength minutes?
I don't agree. A 50 point blue line guy will never be considered a 3rd pairing guy. That's ridiculous to insinuate that.
OK Yandle has defensive lapses. Staal has offensive lapses. So what? Staal's offensive incompetence gets brushed under the rug? Defensemen are no longer just expected to play defense, just as guys on offense aren't just expected to play on offense. The most successful teams now have two way guys littering their line ups from top to bottom.
Yandle stimulates offense. It is undeniable. And that offense, the 45-55 points or so that he is projected to bring from the blue line, is more valuable than Staal's uncalculable defensive worth.
Staal isn't bad. Far from it. But he isn't more valuable than a guy who will tangibly produce for this team. Especially because the Rangers have Henrik Lundqvuist.
Staal wasn't dominant last year. Neither was Girardi. Hank/Talbot was a big reason that the goal differential was as skewed as it was.
Sure there is inherent value in a guy who can shut down an attack. But at what point do you start recognizing that he probably caused just as much defensive trouble for Hank, with lack of speed, lack of ability to clear/catalzye a counter attack, or lack of puck control as a gun happy Keith Yandle who isn't a physical defender, makes risky risky plays, and isn't necessarily in the best position for defensive stops?
Surprised. Not shocked. But surprised.
You didn't answer my question. Why would you believe Yandle would fail in this system? It is catered to his strengths.
I don't see it.
BlueshirtBlitz
Foolish Samurai
This is what it boils down to, IMO.
Let Yandle sling the puck to our big guns, and let Hank clean up the trash. Gotta do something to not get shutout twice in the ECF again.
Sheltering his even strength minutes riding the hell out of him on the PP sounds just fine for me until he shows he can be a little more responsible in his own end.
Because, while he's not there as often, his is a poor player without the puck in his own end. And I don't think that's going to fly for too long. Most nhl coaches who want to keep their jobs give the tough defensive assignments to guys they trust.
Sheltered even strength mins and and an endless dose of pp time. Let him get his 50 points that way
Ideal Rangers line-up for the post season.
Van Riemsdyk-Hayes-Nash
Kreider-Stepan-Miller
Etem/Buchnevich-Brassard-Zucc
Lindberg-Moore-Fast
Stalberg
McDonagh-Girardi
Yandle-Klein
Skjei-Boyle
Hank
Anti
Staal for JVR trade.
Van Riemsdyk-Hayes-Nash
Kreider-Stepan-Miller
Etem/Buchnevich-Brassard-Zucc
Lindberg-Moore-Fast
Stalberg
McDonagh-Girardi
Yandle-Klein
Skjei-Boyle
Hank
Anti
Staal for JVR trade.
DanielBrassard
It's all so tiresome
Im so happy theres no trade rumors around staal.
Because the rangers use the force trade button.
Because the rangers use the force trade button.
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I don't think it'll shake out that way. I see KY taking more of a workload. Staal being phased out. Then a mutual split if/when Skjei breaks through. Staal for offense. Nash gets his help.
It's pretty even...
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DanielBrassard
It's all so tiresome
Because they are a rebuilding team, with Reilly and Gardner down the left side, and JVR is more valuable than Staal and 3 years younger.
Staal was getting the same minutes during the regular season that he was in the post season, and the team was 3rd overall in GPG. The lack of scoring in the post season has a lot more to do with a multitude of other factors than it does with Staal.
Lundqvist isn't a miracle worker. We've seen how much of a sieve he can be when the defense is rudderless, and you can't play him every night.
Igor Shestyorkin
#26, the sickest of 'em all.
and also has a lesser cap hit.
Yeah, I guess being a consistent .920 sv% goalie means nothing.
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Because Lou is getting old and senile and thinks he's getting Eric Staal, the #1c Toronto has needed for years.
Been saying this forever but Staal should be on the right side regardless he would be able to use his strong eye facing the ice as opposed to getting passes from his weak side and bumbling them constantly.
He would be fine
Then yes you could go
Mcdonagh girardi
Yandle Staal
He would be fine
Then yes you could go
Mcdonagh girardi
Yandle Staal
Couldn't agree more with this.
Plus with our defensive depth it's not like he'll be getting 12 minutes on the 3rd pair.
Our 3rd pair should be playing 17 minutes. Don't see what all the fuss is about. Everyone gets their fair share of minutes.
McDonagh Girardi Staal will shutdown the top 2 lines and Yandle can offensively take advantage of the 3rd and 4th lines. Sounds perfect to me
Machinehead
GoAwayTrouba
That's not worth what we traded for him. We traded for a top 4 defenseman.
And we got one.
Our defense is good enough we can have a top 4 dman on our 3rd pair...still getting 20 minutes a game when you factor in even strength and PP
Just be grateful
No matter which 2 d-men you put on our 3rd pair...they would be top 4 d-men on 90% of the teams in this league.
Igor Shestyorkin
#26, the sickest of 'em all.
Yep, sounds perfect that Yandle has to feed passes to Tanner Glass and rely on him and other bottom 6 players to score.
Yep, sounds perfect that Yandle has to feed passes to Tanner Glass and rely on him and other bottom 6 players to score.
Sick interpretation man
In case you weren't aware there isn't a rule in the NHL that states you have to play the top d pair with the top o pair the whole game. You are actually allowed to switch it up if you so desire.
Igor Shestyorkin
#26, the sickest of 'em all.
You expect AV to play his 1st and 2nd line every time Yandle is out there? If you know how AV likes to run his lines, he likes to spread out minutes, more or less.(well, at least in 13-14 he actually could for the forwards...
Yes, I am aware.
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