Post-Game Talk: 2013 NHL Entry Draft - The BoHo Era Begins

[canuck4life16]

it nice to have two pick in the first round in order of the deepest draft since 2003? hopefully Hovort and Hunter can be like richard/Carter or Getzaf/Perry and maybe play together because of those team having two picks

 

[Virtanen2Horvat]

I thought it through a bit Idk but I just feel like we should let Horvat and Shinkaruk stay in their leagues for one more year but let them play in the pre-season and then this is what we do. 2015 season we see if Jensen, Horvat and Shinkaruk can take on the roles of being a Canucks but you never know this preseason can reveal them.

 

[Tiranis]

Was wrong that they wouldn't deal Schneider so I'll eat the crow on that. Other than that, happy with everything that transpired. I like Horvat and I trust our OHL scouting, but more importantly — the rest of the draft was just magnificent. Shinkaruk, Cassels, Subban and Liberati were all guys I have seen and liked quite a bit.

 

[SgtToody]

Couple today's adds of BoHo, Shinky and Subban3 with free agent gets ERIKSSON and Lain, and I'm guessing the next Hockey News prospect report card sees us jump from 28 to 10-15. Still would like to clear some more cap room to get some useful pieces on July 5th FA frenzy (or later)...

 

[StringerBell]

For all the crap our management and scouts get, you have to give Gillis credit with those 1st round picks. Hodgson, Schroeder, Jensen, Gaunce, Horvat and Shinkaruk look pretty good on his resume.

 

[Eddy Punch Clock]

For all the crap our management and scouts get, you have to give Gillis credit with those 1st round picks. Hodgson, Schroeder, Jensen, Gaunce, Horvat and Shinkaruk look pretty good on his resume.

Looks good to me. But these things are measured in actual NHL games played.

 

[The Bob Cole]

hm, no QMJHL drafts...that's quite shocking....

Did you look at the infographic the Canucks put out before the draft?

http://canucks.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=675618

Not exactly a strong point (drafting out of the Q). Looks like 13 drafted out of their in past 10 years. Not many games played. (Scroll down to the bubbles past the world map)

 

[Free Edler]

Well, it only took us 34 years to draft a goalie like Schneider and an additional 7-8 to get him to the show, so I reckon finding another shouldn't be any trouble at all, right?

 

[Pip]

Fantastic draft imo. Love Horvat and Shinkaruk was a steal at 24 imo. Snagging Subban was also a nice touch. Well done Gillis and scouts

 

[Street Hawk]

For all the crap our management and scouts get, you have to give Gillis credit with those 1st round picks. Hodgson, Schroeder, Jensen, Gaunce, Horvat and Shinkaruk look pretty good on his resume.

Jury still out of Schroeder.

Doing fine in the 1st round, it's rounds 2-3 that have been killing them. If you trade a 2nd or 3rd in almost every draft, then the one you don't deal (this year, it's the 3rd, then you have to land something with that pick, as you can't afford to blow it).

2008 - Yann Sauve 2nd round
2009 - Anton Rodin 2nd round, Kevin Connougton 3rd round
2010 - Nothing until McNally in 4th round
2011 - dropped down from 2nd round to take David Honzik in round 3 (goalie)
2012 - Alex Mallett 2nd round
2013 - Cole Cassels 3rd round

Those are the picks in rounds 2-3 under Gillis.
Who jumps out as a future NHLer to anyone?

Sauve - don't expect him to be in the NHL next season
Rodin - another year in the AHL see what happens
K. Conn - likely gets another year in the AHL, but after that he's on a 1 way deal, so he'll likely be on the Dallas roster as a spare Dman
McNally - no clue what his development is. 3 years post draft and he only has 50 NCAA games under his belt. Went back to prep school after the draft, played Freshman year at Harvard, kicked off team after a few games as a Sophomore.
Honzik - behind Lack, Ericsson, Cannatta. Junior is done for him, unless he returns as an overager. Probably goes to ECHL. See if he can jump to AHL in 14-15
Mallett - full season at the AHL is the best we can hope for this coming season IMO
Cassels - finish juniors then AHL and see what happens.

Team right now is lacking own draft picks. Very little to show for the 2005-2008 drafts.

Raymond, Grabner, Hodgson are the only Canuck draft picks to play regularly in the NHL this past season. RIP Luc Bourdon. 4 drafts from 2005 - 2008 when you have players who finish the season between the ages of 23 (Hodgson) to 26 (2005 draft), but Raymond was an overager so he's 28.

Remember, TSN said today that there were games last season (without Raymond & Schroeder I guess), where the team didn't have one of it's own draft picks from the past 8 drafts. That goes back to the 2005 draft. That's very sad....

 

[vanuck]

Was wrong that they wouldn't deal Schneider so I'll eat the crow on that. Other than that, happy with everything that transpired. I like Horvat and I trust our OHL scouting, but more importantly — the rest of the draft was just magnificent. Shinkaruk, Cassels, Subban and Liberati were all guys I have seen and liked quite a bit.

Was wondering where your input was today. Anybody you would have taken over the guys we took?

That Williamson pick right away looked pretty bad...

 

[Tiranis]

Was wondering where your input was today. Anybody you would have taken over the guys we took?

That Williamson pick right away looked pretty bad...

I'm happy on the whole. Not going to say anything about Williamson since I don't know anything about him. I thought Blomstrand was a bad pick — now I'm a big fan and he seems to be developing really well...

 

[canuck4life16]

Well, it only took us 34 years to draft a goalie like Schneider and an additional 7-8 to get him to the show, so I reckon finding another shouldn't be any trouble at all, right?

Joe Canntan? very schneider like and Lack

 

[just22]

I hope we ran background checks on Bo Horvat's dad. We forgot to do that with Hodgson

 

[Henrik To Daniel]

I think taking Horvat over Nichushkin is going to be seen as one of those Kopitar/Perron debacles but Horvat will still be a NHL player in a lesser capacity

 

[Tiranis]

I'm glad we don't have Nonis in charge. Gauthier... Rest of the draft looks poor too.

Since I'm just catching up: not suprised Dano went in the 1st, figured somebody would have him rated higher. Surprised where Erne and Zykov went.

 

[mossey3535]

I'm excited to have us actively work to integrate young guys. In the cap world, you absolutely have to have cheap forwards play for you and the easiest ones to get are ones you develop. As soon as they have success, they almost invariably become massively overpaid. Look at Bolland.

I think it was imperative to get two 1st rounders in a good draft.

I also like the amount of Canadians we picked this year.

 

[Tiranis]

Also, shocked at Tyler Bertuzzi going where he did to Detroit. Not a fan of his, TBH.

 

[Bitz and Bites]

Jury still out of Schroeder.

Doing fine in the 1st round, it's rounds 2-3 that have been killing them. If you trade a 2nd or 3rd in almost every draft, then the one you don't deal (this year, it's the 3rd, then you have to land something with that pick, as you can't afford to blow it).

2008 - Yann Sauve 2nd round
2009 - Anton Rodin 2nd round, Kevin Connougton 3rd round
2010 - Nothing until McNally in 4th round
2011 - dropped down from 2nd round to take David Honzik in round 3 (goalie)
2012 - Alex Mallett 2nd round
2013 - Cole Cassels 3rd round

Those are the picks in rounds 2-3 under Gillis.
Who jumps out as a future NHLer to anyone?

Sauve - don't expect him to be in the NHL next season
Rodin - another year in the AHL see what happens
K. Conn - likely gets another year in the AHL, but after that he's on a 1 way deal, so he'll likely be on the Dallas roster as a spare Dman
McNally - no clue what his development is. 3 years post draft and he only has 50 NCAA games under his belt. Went back to prep school after the draft, played Freshman year at Harvard, kicked off team after a few games as a Sophomore.
Honzik - behind Lack, Ericsson, Cannatta. Junior is done for him, unless he returns as an overager. Probably goes to ECHL. See if he can jump to AHL in 14-15
Mallett - full season at the AHL is the best we can hope for this coming season IMO
Cassels - finish juniors then AHL and see what happens.

Team right now is lacking own draft picks. Very little to show for the 2005-2008 drafts.

Raymond, Grabner, Hodgson are the only Canuck draft picks to play regularly in the NHL this past season. RIP Luc Bourdon. 4 drafts from 2005 - 2008 when you have players who finish the season between the ages of 23 (Hodgson) to 26 (2005 draft), but Raymond was an overager so he's 28.

Remember, TSN said today that there were games last season (without Raymond & Schroeder I guess), where the team didn't have one of it's own draft picks from the past 8 drafts. That goes back to the 2005 draft. That's very sad....

You been on a long camping trip so far this summer?

It's even worse than you thought:

Sauve has'nt been resigned and likely won't be as he played his way down to the ECHL last year.

K-Conn was traded to Dallas as part of the Derek Roy deal.

Rodin stunk in the AHL and presumably was let go by the organization as he's signed for the SEL for next year

Honzik failed impress again last season and was'nt signed.I belive he was draft eligible today but no one bit,understandably.

Mallet spent most of the year in the ECHL and by the sounds of it,is starting to make the adjustment to pro hockey but has a ways to go.Should see full time duty in the AHL now that we own our farm team so there's still hope here.

We also drafted Alex Grenier in the 3rd round in 2011 and he played in Europe and in the ECHL and is still a long term project with major questions.Most likely will start the year on the farm to see what he can do at the AHL level.

Cassells is long shot,not great at anything and average size so not sure how he will find his way as a pro but possible bottom sixer/depth player.

 

[rebel diamond]

Early impression is that this was a good draft but (1) you don't really know for at least 3 years, and (2) having two 1sts makes any draft look good, especially in a deep year. Still though, I'm optimistic that we grabbed two good players in the first round and we made some good tosses at the dart board in later rounds, even if there's no bulls-eyes maybe we lucked out and landed one in the triple ring.

As for the trade, after thinking on it for a while I've calmed down a bit. Luongo is as good a goalie as Schneider at this point in their careers, with a reasonable cap hit relative to his performance. Having a world class goalie plus a top10 pick is better than just having a world class goalie, which would've been the result of a buy-out/waiving. Eventually Luongo will decline, and eventually cap recapture penalties may bite us, but that's a bridge to cross when we get there. I still am not happy with the return we got, but no one except for the GMs around the league know what Schneider really could've fetched. It's a bad situation we had to get out from underneath of, and now we can move on.

 

[Street Hawk]

You been on a long camping trip so far this summer?

It's even worse than you thought:

Sauve has'nt been resigned and likely won't be as he played his way down to the ECHL last year.

K-Conn was traded to Dallas as part of the Derek Roy deal.

Rodin stunk in the AHL and presumably was let go by the organization as he's signed for the SEL for next year

Honzik failed impress again last season and was'nt signed.I belive he was draft eligible today but no one bit,understandably.

Mallet spent most of the year in the ECHL and by the sounds of it,is starting to make the adjustment to pro hockey but has a ways to go.Should see full time duty in the AHL now that we own our farm team so there's still hope here.

We also drafted Alex Grenier in the 3rd round in 2011 and he played in Europe and in the ECHL and is still a long term project with major questions.Most likely will start the year on the farm to see what he can do at the AHL level.

Cassells is long shot,not great at anything and average size so not sure how he will find his way as a pro but possible bottom sixer/depth player.

Yikes..... Total fail.

So, MG is likely to not have a single 2nd or 3rd round pick play regularly in the NHL after 6 drafts?

Sauve, knew he wasn't doing well. End of his ELC, so guess it's time to cut bait on him.

Rodin, back to SEL. Not shocked.

K-Conn, yes, knew he was traded. Listed him still to show the team's scouting abilities.

Honzik - great, a goalie who didn't pan out.

Mallett, Grenier, Cassels.... sigh.....

 

[Bitz and Bites]

it nice to have two pick in the first round in order of the deepest draft since 2003? hopefully Hovort and Hunter can be like richard/Carter or Getzaf/Perry and maybe play together because of those team having two picks

I compared Horvat and Shinkarak to potentially becoming our Toews and Kane and got flamed a bit but I think the comparison is'nt completely out to lunch as they play similar games and have similar skillsets and physical attributes.

I can dream a bit on draft day,can't I?

 

[iFan]

I compared Horvat and Shinkarak to potentially becoming our Toews and Kane and got flamed a bit but I think the comparison is'nt completely out to lunch as they play similar games and have similar skillsets and physical attributes.

I can dream a bit on draft day,can't I?

I remember Hodgson and Schroeder being our Toews and Kane

 

[Bitz and Bites]

Yikes..... Total fail.

So, MG is likely to not have a single 2nd or 3rd round pick play regularly in the NHL after 6 drafts?

Sauve, knew he wasn't doing well. End of his ELC, so guess it's time to cut bait on him.

Rodin, back to SEL. Not shocked.

K-Conn, yes, knew he was traded. Listed him still to show the team's scouting abilities.

Honzik - great, a goalie who didn't pan out.

Mallett, Grenier, Cassels.... sigh.....

To be fair,K-Conn did do quite well after his trade to the Stars and impressed enough with their AHL team to get a three year deal so they seem to like him and feel he has NHL potential with more seasoning on the farm.
I don't see him as much more than a bottom pairing player/PP specialist at the NHL level so it will be interesting to see how it works out with him.

 

[LickTheEnvelope]

Joe Canntan? very schneider like and Lack

And they signed Joacim Eriksson... a goalie that has averaged a .932 save % over the last two years in the SEL + a .952 save % this season leading Skelleftea to a SEL championship at age 23...