rt
The Kinder, Gentler Version
Chipchura has been good in the past. He's been a winger for us so the sample size is a little small. Brule is decent too. It absolutely hurts to lose Gordon though. Can't avoid that.
2013 - 2014 Season Roster Part 3
- Thread starter SniperHF
- Start date
- Status
A little small but compared to most centers but still quite a bit. Last year he took 260 and the year before 364. For comparison Hanzal took a 637 and Gordon took 789. I think that's enough to say he's a 48% guy at best right now. Maybe he will improve by being a full time center but I don't think it will be much.
I wonder how much that rule change hurt his pct. for defensive zone faceoffs. That was "his thing", I thought, the push-the-other-guy-off-the-dot-and-glove-the-puck-straight-back-to-the-D move.
Blubba Jenkins
Not that Insightful
While I have no proof, I feel like you're dead on. He seems to get kicked out regularly.
btw...I like your avatar! Those two are the cornerstone of the Coyotes in my opinion and I hate the thought of not seeing them both in a Yotes uniform!
rt
The Kinder, Gentler Version
Watching that Chris Brown interview on the Yotes site really just had something dawn on me...Don Maloney has really got himself a plan. I worry about what the budget constraints will look like when some of these front loaded deals start to get pricey next season and the season after. Then I remember that kids like Brown, Lessio, Domi, Samuelsson and Gormley are very near ready. Guys like Moss, Vermette, Morris, etc are coming off the books. This roster has the potential to be really, really balanced for a good long time. Plus we've got don and tip for another half decade to get it all sorted out. There is no reason why we won't be a really, really tough team to handle from top to bottom for year to come.
Last edited:
that's the key point to be made...
it's unfortunate because he was very successful with that tactic, however a good rule change for the game.
curious if someone can get faceoff stats from 2011-12 season for him comparing offensive/ neutral/ defensive zone.
I'm confident he'll work on it and can get better too.
rt
The Kinder, Gentler Version
I don't think those stats are anywhere for 2011-12. Tabita's site has them for 12-13.
Best you can find is ES/PP/PK faceoff stats on NHL.com.
Hanzal was 51% at even strength.
55% on the PP
45% on the PK.
IPreferPi
A Nonny Mouse
One of the big reasons I've been a proponent trading for J. Jokinen was for his faceoff ability; none of the other targets we've mentioned (Heatley, Gionta, Malone, MoJo) are remotely in the realm of .500+ FO%. But with Jokinen likely off the block due to the Pens's forward depth issues and Grabo also off the market, think it's pretty important for us that Brule has a good training camp and makes the roster to help offset the loss of Gordon's faceoff prowess.
Sciamachy
Shadow Coyote
- Jan 31, 2008
- 2,096
- 118
One note before going further, these numbers also include when Hanzal has been kicked out of the circle (or a rare case of Hanzal just not being the one taking the draw) but is still on the ice, so they are a little off from his personal real numbers but in most cases they should be close enough based on high number of face offs taken to only a handful of times getting kicked out.
ES: http://www.behindthenet.ca/nhl_stat...5&f5=PHX&f7=20-&c=0+3+4+5+7+57+58+59+60+61+62
off: 51.3% - 136/129
def: 51.5% - 134/126
neu: 49.5% - 159/162
tot: 50.7% - 429/417
PP: http://www.behindthenet.ca/nhl_stat...4&f5=PHX&f7=20-&c=0+3+4+5+7+57+58+59+60+61+62
off: 57.5% - 96/71
def: 33.3% - 1/2
neu: 39.4% - 13/20
tot: 54.2% - 110/93
PK: http://www.behindthenet.ca/nhl_stat...5&f5=PHX&f7=20-&c=0+3+4+5+7+57+58+59+60+61+62
off: 54.5% - 6/5
def: 51.4% - 36/34
neu: 36.8% - 7/12
tot: 49.0% - 49/51
thanks. that's certainly not what I would have expected. thought he would have been significantly better in the d zone due to the rugby/ hand pass proficiency.
right, but not until last season right?
those are stats from when they allowed it.
Sciamachy
Shadow Coyote
- Jan 31, 2008
- 2,096
- 118
I think it was banned in 11-12 as well. Hanzals 10-11 even strength numbers are more in line with what you'd expect when it was allowed:
http://www.behindthenet.ca/nhl_stat...5&f5=PHX&f7=20-&c=0+3+4+5+7+57+58+59+60+61+62
off: 106/120 - 46.9%
def: 140/120 - 53.8%
neu: 138/158 - 46.6%
well those numbers are what I expected, but the rule change was only for last season
http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=635213
Sciamachy
Shadow Coyote
- Jan 31, 2008
- 2,096
- 118
PerpetualTankYear
Doan 3:16
I remember in the playoffs in 2012, he had some kind of Wrist injury, and seemed to be thrown out of literally every draw, probably on purpose.
rt
The Kinder, Gentler Version
Corey Crawford just got 36m/6yr/6avg from the Hawks. Yeesh. Smith's deal looks a smidge better.
PHX FireBirds18
Registered User
- Jul 20, 2006
- 3,170
- 317
I'd say it's more than a smidge. Crawford really isn't that good, and gets the benefit of playing in front of an offensive powerhouse. Don't know what Chicago is thinking. They're going to lose more good players because of this contract. Laughed when LA gave Quick that huge contract. Was shocked when Smith got his. Just not a fan of big contracts with Goalies. They're kind of like pitchers in baseball. No real clear cut best and they are very up and down. Chitown could be regretting this deal as soon as next year.
ck26
Alcoholab User
Am I the only one who (if money was even), would rather have Crawford than Smith?
I think RELIEF pitchers is a better analogy -- a small group of 2 or 3 clearly-dominant ones, then the rest are all pretty interchangeable.
rt
The Kinder, Gentler Version
IPreferPi
A Nonny Mouse
I'm with you rt. Crawford is an average goalie in my eyes who clearly cashed in on an excellent postseason. But I'll take Smitty just for his puckhandling and his take-no-crap demeanor any day.
- Status
