Prospect Info: 1st Overall Thread: Jack or Kappo?

[Scooooooooooooot]

this is peak "I just wanna be right, guy."

you win.

I feel like you are arguing with yourself here and somehow I have come out on top... hooray for me

 

[New Jersey]

I feel like you are arguing with yourself here and somehow I have come out on top... hooray for me

so there was absolutely no purpose for your initial response to me pointing out that we've missed in six of seven in that it doesn't change reality nor does it positively affect any outcome of a discussion based on the fact that the devils haven't been good since 2012. cool, thanks.

 

[BenedictGomez]

I think more people came around to Kakko after we came 2nd

Correct; and Germany came around to surrender after Berlin was invaded.

 

[Scooooooooooooot]

so there was absolutely no purpose for your initial response to me pointing out that we've missed in six of seven in that it doesn't change reality nor does it positively affect any outcome of a discussion based on the fact that the devils haven't been good since 2012. cool, thanks.

not sure who riled you up today, i just simply showed that the thing you stated (a fact) could be phrased in a different way (also a fact) that isnt so doom and gloom. Then Im not really sure what direction you decided to take that in, still confused tbh.

 

[Scooooooooooooot]

Not really, I mean, I think more people came around to Kakko after we came 2nd, but there 100% was still a big fraction of the fan-base who wanted Kakko.

And way to absolutely ignore the second part and more important aspect of my response, but Hughes can be the consensus (no longer the unanimous) and Kakko still be in the same league as prospects. They aren't mutually exclusive. I have no idea why you started this argument. lol

I feel like Jack Hughes would be a far better fit for the rangers and the last thing your team needs is another big bodied skill winger but thats just me maybe Zib is a true 1 and (insert winger playing center here) is a true 2C.

 

[Polar Bear]

I feel like Jack Hughes would be a far better fit for the rangers and the last thing your team needs is another big bodied skill winger but thats just me maybe Zib is a true 1 and (insert winger playing center here) is a true 2C.

We need as much offensive talent as possible. We're still in the acquiring talent phase outside of goalies. If we had number 1, we'd go BPA, whether that was Hughes or Kakko, I have no idea.

 

[Polar Bear]

Correct; and Germany came around to surrender after Berlin was invaded.

I see you're just going to ignore my second and more important point entirely. That's fine. I hope Hughes works out fantastic for you and that the NYR/NJD rivalry heats up with Kakko vs Hughes on ice.

 

[Scooooooooooooot]

We need as much offensive talent as possible. We're still in the acquiring talent phase outside of goalies. If we had number 1, we'd go BPA, whether that was Hughes or Kakko, I have no idea.

Where was that strategy with Lias Andersson

 

[Polar Bear]

Where was that strategy with Lias Andersson

It was exactly there. Everyone we wanted got drafted ahead of us. Looking back in retrospect, who should we have honestly taken that was viewed in a similar draft range?

I certainly haven't given up on him, but thankfully Chytil was a very good pick and all 3 of our 1st round selections in 2018 have been great in their D+1 years.

 

[Scooooooooooooot]

It was exactly there. Everyone we wanted got drafted ahead of us. Looking back in retrospect, who should we have honestly taken that was viewed in a similar draft range?

I certainly haven't given up on him, but thankfully Chytil was a very good pick and all 3 of our 1st round selections in 2018 have been great in their D+1 years.

Nobody had Andersson as a top 10 talent or even a top 10 player in that draft, it was very similar to the same thinking of the Devils 2016 pick. They picked the guy with a high floor and low ceiling because no one they wanted fell to them. To who you should have taken I would have take every single player taken after Andersson until maybe pick 22 (Yamamoto).

 

[glenwo2]

this is peak "I just wanna be right, guy."

you win.

Yeah he won 'cause he's right.

Don't be like that, man.

You said this was our worst period since the 1980s....

...well up till the year we finally got back to the playoffs...which is what @Scooooooooooooot 's point was.

 

[New Jersey]

Yeah he won 'cause he's right.

Don't be like that, man.

You said this was our worst period since the 1980s....

...well up till the year we finally got back to the playoffs...which is what @Scooooooooooooot 's point was.

i'm not going to pretend that one playoff appearance and a single win since we last went to the final is good enough or up to the standard i hold this organization to, but that's just me.

and as a loyal fan [and paying customer] i'm entitled to that.

 

[Polar Bear]

Nobody had Andersson as a top 10 talent or even a top 10 player in that draft, it was very similar to the same thinking of the Devils 2016 pick. They picked the guy with a high floor and low ceiling because no one they wanted fell to them. To who you should have taken I would have take every single player taken after Andersson until maybe pick 22 (Yamamoto).

Andersson was ranked 12th I believe by Bob, so it was certainly a slight reach, but as I mentioned earlier, ALL of our primary targets were selected before us. But then we picked Chytil, and all 3 of our 1st round selections seem like hits judging their D+1 years. I certainly see a lot more good than bad with our prospect pool.

 

[glenwo2]

....but there 100% was still a big fraction of the fan-base who wanted Kakko.

I'm sure there is.

Many feel that Kakko is just about as finished a product as you can get from a young player and with fans today being all about instant-gratification, they WOULD like to have a player like that to just be inserted into the line-up from day one and be effective.

Still want Hughes though.

 

[Polar Bear]

I'm sure there is.

Many feel that Kakko is just about as finished a product as you can get from a young player and with fans today being all about instant-gratification, they WOULD like to have a player like that to just be inserted into the line-up from day one and be effective.

Still want Hughes though.

I'd still take Hughes 1, as well, but as I've been saying since the WHC and as Bob pretty much confirmed, they're similar level prospects and at a VERY high level. Not often that's the case in a draft which makes this one unique.

 

[Scooooooooooooot]

Andersson was ranked 12th I believe by Bob, so it was certainly a slight reach, but as I mentioned earlier, ALL of our primary targets were selected before us. But then we picked Chytil, and all 3 of our 1st round selections seem like hits judging their D+1 years. I certainly see a lot more good than bad with our prospect pool.

He was ranked anywhere from 11 to 26, Bob had him at 13 and no one had him in the top 10. Chytil is a solid prospect and 2 of the 3 in 2018 I think can be very good. Still need a star Center in my mind and Im not sure what the plan is down the middle moving forward.

 

[glenwo2]

i'm not going to pretend that one playoff appearance and a single win since we last went to the final is good enough or up to the standard i hold this organization to, but that's just me.

and as a loyal fan [and paying customer] i'm entitled to that.

Oh I get it.

We as Devils fans SHOULD demand better of this organization that's been successful in the past but that's the problem :

It's the PAST.

This is no longer the Lou Lamoriello Devils anymore.

We need to give Shero some time to get us back to...well...at least somewhere close to where we were back in the day when we were a Playoff team year-in and year-out.

Jersey, I fully understand your frustration with Shero not seeming to do anything right now in comparison to Gorton in NY but he has given me no reason to doubt his GM'ing abilities to date. Hell, even last year when he didn't do anything 'cause there was hardly anything out there, I was cool with that.

Now if he does nothing THIS YEAR, *then* I'll start questioning his thought-processes.

Let's just wait-and-see what Shero does or doesn't do before we pronounce Judgement on the entire organization.

 

[Polar Bear]

He was ranked anywhere from 11 to 26, Bob had him at 13 and no one had him in the top 10. Chytil is a solid prospect and 2 of the 3 in 2018 I think can be very good. Still need a star Center in my mind and Im not sure what the plan is down the middle moving forward.

I take Bob's list the most serious, so for me, he was always a top 12-15 prospect. Kravstov is going to be a stud, Miller is going to be a stud, and Nils likely is going to be a very good top 4 d-man (not sure I see top pair upside there yet, but that's fine for a late 1st rounder). Also traded for Fox and have Kakko/Hughes and 2 2nds this draft. I'm very pleased with the job we've done in rebuilding.

Agree about needing another long-term answer at C alongside Zib, but it's possible one of the young kids can fill that role. We will see though.

 

[glenwo2]

I'd still take Hughes 1, as well, but as I've been saying since the WHC and as Bob pretty much confirmed, they're similar level prospects and at a VERY high level. Not often that's the case in a draft which makes this one unique.

Yeah. This isn't exactly Nico vs. Patrick this year.

While I love Nico, I feel that in comparison to this draft....well....the Nico draft in 2017 is akin to drafting the Best of the Rest.

(to all the Nico fans out there.... @OmNomNom , please don't kill me. )

 

[Polar Bear]

Yeah. This isn't exactly Nico vs. Patrick this year.

While I love Nico, I feel that in comparison to this draft....well....the Nico draft in 2017 is akin to drafting the Best of the Rest.

(to all the Nico fans out there.... @OmNomNom , please don't kill me. )

Nico is going to be very, very good, but it's universally agreed that Kakko/Hughes are on a different league as prospects entering the draft.

 

[glenwo2]

Nico is going to be very, very good, but it's universally agreed that Kakko/Hughes are on a different league as prospects entering the draft.

Which was my point when I said "I feel that in comparison to THIS draft....."

 

[Oneiro]

I would put my appreciation for the standards of this organization under Lou up against anybody's. I still think some, maybe even most, aspects of his management perspective are conducive to long term success.

That being said, to regain top tier status from having the oldest, slowest team in the league with minimal incoming talent...five years is a very optimistic turnaround time. Though I am no fan of Hynes and do not think we will go all the way with him as coach, that playoff appearance is a borderline miracle relative to the situation. More than that, it's a very positive sign when you have four very raw rookies carrying that much of the scoring. And you're adding Hughes and Smith...

I think it's nuts to be pessimistic as a Devils fan right now.

 

[Scooooooooooooot]

I take Bob's list the most serious, so for me, he was always a top 12-15 prospect. Kravstov is going to be a stud, Miller is going to be a stud, and Nils likely is going to be a very good top 4 d-man (not sure I see top pair upside there yet, but that's fine for a late 1st rounder). Also traded for Fox and have Kakko/Hughes and 2 2nds this draft. I'm very pleased with the job we've done in rebuilding.

Agree about needing another long-term answer at C alongside Zib, but it's possible one of the young kids can fill that role. We will see though.

I think Kratsov is your best bet at 2C long term but it will be an adjustment for him to be a full time center. Miller I like long term and he had a good season up until injury but he is still super raw on defense. He will need some time to become an nhl d man as someone who recently switched to defense from offense. Nils I have not watched much of so I cant really say anything about him but im sure he has the normal outlook of a late first d man as you stated. Adam Fox to me still has a ton of question marks, he is a smart and craft player but that needs to translate past college and he did not look good at the Worlds but its also a huge adjustment for D especially to play on that big ice. I think the Rangers have done a good job of using their assets to get picks, whether those picks turn into the players you need to compete is still up in the air and there is a lot of quantity, but you still need stars at certain positions and Center is one of them.

 

[Merrills Marauders]

Vegas odds update - Draftkings had odds to select Hughes 1OA at -1000 yesterday and adjusted to -3335 today, implying 97% and in line with Fanduel’s -3400. Seems that word might have leaked out with that drastic of an adjustment.

 

[OmNomNom]

Yeah. This isn't exactly Nico vs. Patrick this year.

While I love Nico, I feel that in comparison to this draft....well....the Nico draft in 2017 is akin to drafting the Best of the Rest.

(to all the Nico fans out there.... @OmNomNom , please don't kill me. )

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