I meant to reply to the earlier comment, where you called them a very lucky team.
Can you show me in either post where I said they were not a good team? I actually called them good.
I meant to reply to the earlier comment, where you called them a very lucky team.
I think what you can take from the Chiarelli/Benning Cup winning combo is that winning a Stanley Cup isn't necessarily dependant on the competency of your general manager. A lot of circumstance goes into building a team, and a lot of luck into actually winning the Stanley Cup.
To paraphrase something you've said before, though, if the NHL really had a market-based approach rather than rewarding failure with draft position, you'd get a lot more direct of a connection, obviously.We want badly to believe that there is 1.0 correlation between gm competence and team performance but it simply doesn't exist and never will.
To paraphrase something you've said before, though, if the NHL really had a market-based approach rather than rewarding failure with draft position, you'd get a lot more direct of a connection, obviously.
Can we all agree that this next summer will be a make or break FA period for the Jimbo led management. They have the chance to screw us for years to come if they swing for the fences and miss.
Even the most hardcore Benning supporters will have to admit that this summer is a crossroad for the team and if they do a Loui Eriksson part deux the team will be hamstrung for years to come.
Or are there some folk who are willing to give him another mulligan, even if the next summer is a disaster?
The team leads the league in points from players 23 and under, if I recall correctly, and the farm system was ranked between 3rd and 7th by major publications post-draft.I'm sick and tired of this same old line being repeated every year.
"This summer will be make or break for Benning"
"This trade deadline will be make or break for Benning"
"It's not about this year, he'll be judged on what the team does next year."
The goal posts move every year. At what point does the general consensus accept the fact that this is just a very bad hockey team? The team is being carried by Pettersson, Boeser, and Horvat. The Canucks top 3 defensemen are holdovers from the previous GM who was fired half a decade ago, and the team has an average goalie who has stretches where he can get hot and carry the team as well.
The support cast around the top 3 forwards is pure garbage. And for the team being this bad for as long as they have been, the amount of quality youth in the organization is shockingly low.
And how does the farm team look now......The team leads the league in points from players 23 and under, if I recall correctly, and the farm system was ranked between 3rd and 7th by major publications post-draft.
The team's best prospects aren't on the farm team.And how does the farm team look now......
I think you can drop the"esque" you aren't fooling anybodyThe team's best prospects aren't on the farm team.
Can you actually dispute what I was saying in a coherent way?I think you can drop the"esque" you aren't fooling anybody
The team leads the league in points from players 23 and under, if I recall correctly, and the farm system was ranked between 3rd and 7th by major publications post-draft.
The team's best prospects aren't on the farm team.
Our best prospects are Quinn Hughes, Tyler Madden, Michael DiPietro, Jett Woo and Thatcher Demko. One's been on the farm team for two seasons, two are ineligible to play there, and the other two are 19, in college hockey and have never been the subject of any suggestion from you or anyone else that they'd be better off in Utica. So literally none of our best prospects this year fit the description you claim our best prospects fit every year.Yup. Our best prospects, every year, are never on the farm team because once they get there and start playing at the pro level they flop. Shiny new prospect syndrome.
Our best prospects are Quinn Hughes, Tyler Madden, Michael DiPietro, Jett Woo and Thatcher Demko. One's been on the farm team for two seasons, two are ineligible to play there, and the other two are 19, in college hockey and have never been the subject of any suggestion from you or anyone else that they'd be better off in Utica. So literally none of our best prospects this year fit the description you claim our best prospects fit every year.
Sure...we don't have any real prospects on the farm....cause Benning has basically crapped the bed.Can you actually dispute what I was saying in a coherent way?
Great. I didn't say anything about whether they were likely to fail or not, I was disputing the statement that our best prospects were failed AHLers. You're smarter than this.Thats just because none of them have had time to fail yet.
This happens every year with non-objective posters.
That farm system ranking included Pettersson as part of it, which he clearly has graduated from. This also came out before Kole Lind and Jonah Gadjovich looked like complete flops at the pro-level. Even Jonathan Dahlen and Adam Gaudette don't look that great anymore based on this season. A year ago, people like you were grossly overhyping all these guys, penciling them into Canucks lineups of the future. At this point we'll be lucky if even one of those players (Lind, Gadjovich, Dahlen, Gaudette) become NHL regulars.
Our best prospects are Quinn Hughes, Tyler Madden, Michael DiPietro, Jett Woo and Thatcher Demko. One's been on the farm team for two seasons, two are ineligible to play there, and the other two are 19, in college hockey and have never been the subject of any suggestion from you or anyone else that they'd be better off in Utica. So literally none of our best prospects this year fit the description you claim our best prospects fit every year.
I wouldn't group Gaudette with the other 3 there he looks like a pretty good guarantee to be at least a bottom six player, rather the problem was going into the season you'd expect his upside was that of a top six player. Normally you'd allow for some patience for a first year pro to adjust, but guys coming out of 3-4 years of college with his kind of numbers if they're going to score in the NHL usually start doing it right away: Gaudreau, Boeser, Bozak, K.Hayes, Guentzel, etc etc. Now I'm hoping for the guy to succeed but I don't think you'll find many players who put up 1.5-2.0 PPG in years 2-3 in college then only put up 6 points in there first 36 NHL games develop later into top 6 NHL guys.
But either way it's the same effect to what you're saying, our prospect pool 'ranking' has taken a bit hit half a season from those guys turning pro. I'm sure with Woo/Madden/etc it's going to be different though.
Of Woo and Madden are two of your best prospects you are in trouble.
Let me be clear, there is nothing wrong with either of them, but they aren’t grade A prospects.