Value of: Your Top 4 D to the Jets

[GreatSaveEssensa]

Judging by the OPS responses in this thread.... This is going to get ugly fast.


You can't get a Top 4D for spare parts. Which is all that's being listed here.


Dumba for a 1st + B prospect? Come on....

This year the value isn't as high on guys with the expansion draft coming up, Covid quarantines, and the cap not rising.

If the Jets did land a top 4 D and pay a hefty price to get him, one would assume that player would need to be protected in the expansion draft. Exposing another guy from the team. So on top of what was given up they will in a sense be losing another valuable player as well if they wanted to protect their new asset.

I don't think many moves will be made this trade deadline at all really. A lot of teams will just choose to ride out this weird season and start making moves once scouts etc can actually start watching guys live again.

The Jets upper management are ultra conservative to begin with and now that the Laine problem is put to bed I can see them just sitting back for now in knowing we have Stanley, Heinola, and Samberg knocking on the door and to a lesser extent Sami Niku. This is all just my opinion of course and may be totally wrong and off base.

 

[fmrdh]

Ekholm / Severson

1st + prospect ?

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

Take Ben Chairot back...please...

 

[jetsforever]

Take Ben Chairot back...please...

Swap for Beaulieu back?

 

[KingsHockey24]

Maatta for Beaulieu

 

[Hunter368]

Take Ben Chairot back...please...

No thx, we let him walk bc his contract demands were too much for his play.

 

[Hunter368]

Not including Oilers, Habs or Leafs b/c they all appear to be playoff contenders. Also rather not have to look at American teams due to COVID restrictions in Canada.

Love to see what possible upgrades to the Jets top 4 D might be able from Flames, Sens or Nucks.....all who appear to be none playoff teams or at least dark horses at this point and might be thinking of selling off some assets (no offence meant to those fans).

Jets have lots of bottom pairing guys, so no help needed there. Jets also have Josh & Pionk who are solid top 4 guys. But the issue is the Jets have multi bottom pairing guys who switch in and out of top 4 roles and shouldn't be there ideally (Forbort, DeMelo.......two guys who likely are better suited as #5D and then multi clear bottom pairing guys like Beau, Stanley, Poolman, Niku who should always play bottom pairing barring injury call ups).

So don't offer any bottom pairing guys, Jets don't need more. I doubt anyone offers a young top 4 guy, bc all teams want them. So it's likely going to end up being UFA rentals or older guys with 1.5 years term left I'm guessing (which is reflected in the pieces available):

Available pieces might include:

- 1st Rd pick (or lower picks)
- We have multi B level forward prospects (centres and wingers)
- Copp/Appleton, both play key roles on the Jets so would be hard to give them up.
- I doubt Samberg is available (I could only see him in a trade for a younger player), I know Heinola isn't available for any older D players. Heinola will very likely be in the Jets top 4 next year, yes he's that good. Cole P wouldn't be available either for any older D player.

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

Swap for Beaulieu back?

Would you be surprised to hear that many Habs fans would actually consider it??...

 

[Pongs21]

Would you be surprised to hear that many Habs fans would actually consider it??...

I would say deal, no take backs and then laugh and laugh and laugh

 

[Guffman]

Not including Oilers, Habs or Leafs b/c they all appear to be playoff contenders. Also rather not have to look at American teams due to COVID restrictions in Canada.

I don’t think we would be limiting this to Canadian teams (not much to sift through for the potential non-playoff teams).

I would expect trades to happen much earlier than the trade deadline to accommodate the quarantine issues. Top 4 D won’t be necessary to qualify but would be desirable if we want a better chance to compete in the playoffs.

 

[Hunter368]

I don’t think we would be limiting this to Canadian teams (not much to sift through for the potential non-playoff teams).

I would expect trades to happen much earlier than the trade deadline to accommodate the quarantine issues. Top 4 D won’t be necessary to qualify but would be desirable if we want a better chance to compete in the playoffs.

Yeh I’m not saying we would limit the search to Canadian teams, just saying it would be ideal from a covid POV.....but as you say it does strongly limit our options as far as upgrades go

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

I would say deal, no take backs and then laugh and laugh and laugh

Beaulieu on the IR does less damage to the team than Chairot in the lineup, so deal...

 

[pegcity]

Winnipeg Gets
Ekholm (I'm sure the Jets would prefer Ryan Ellis, but I'm assuming Ekholm is more likely to be moved. Nashville fans can weigh in here, obviously Ellis would cost more)

Nashville Gets
2021 1st Round Pick (likely 20-31)
Either Sami Niku (Niku was 2018 AHL defenseman of the year, he's a 3rd pairing powerplay specialist and currently does not fit into Maurice's system) or Kristen Vesalainen (1st round pick in 2017 and is exempt from the expansion draft)

It's rumoured that the Jets will be offering a package like this for a top 4 defenseman. Niku is more expendable than Vesalainen. Vesalainen was offered in the Ekholm trade because Ekholm has a little bit of term and has a good cap hit. From a Winnipeg historical perspective, this is something Chevy would offer for a top 4 defenseman (rental). Heinola & Perfetti will not be moved (again, based on Chevy's history). I wouldn't expect Samberg to be moved either. I'm just looking for a realistic trade that might happen, not something that will never happen.

Chevy's previous Deadline trades
Stastney for 1st rounder and Erik Foley (injured, but a B prospect at the time)
Kevin Hayes for 1st rounder and Brendan Lemieux (B prospect, bottom 6 guy)

From Twitter:
Pierre LeBrun (The Athletic) reporting that the #Preds

have had discussions about #NHLJets Sami Niku, who just hasn’t been able to stick in the lineup. He wonders if a 1st rd pick & Niku would be enough to acquire Mattias Ekholm, a player he thinks can put Winnipeg over the top.

 

[Kublakhan]

Jets have a need to get them to that next level and that is another top 4 D

What we have to offer
2021 picks - Depending on who it is
Prospects - Vesalainen,Gustaffsson,Chisholm,Stanley or someone else. Heinola/Samberg/Perfetti you would have to blow my doors off
Cap dump - Perrault,Beaulieu

this could get you Rasmus Ristolainen

 

[FlappyGiraffe]

From Twitter:
Pierre LeBrun (The Athletic) reporting that the #Preds

have had discussions about #NHLJets Sami Niku, who just hasn’t been able to stick in the lineup. He wonders if a 1st rd pick & Niku would be enough to acquire Mattias Ekholm, a player he thinks can put Winnipeg over the top.

I'd do that deal all day long. Having someone dependable like Ekholm can really transform the backend of the team.
Could run something like:

Ekholm - Pionk
Morrissey - Demelo/Poolman
Forbort - Demelo/Poolman

Would be willing to give up a 2nd and another prospect to add Savard as well to further strengthen the bottom 4 RHD.

 

[Adam da bomb]

I'd do that deal all day long. Having someone dependable like Ekholm can really transform the backend of the team.
Could run something like:

Ekholm - Pionk
Morrissey - Demelo/Poolman
Forbort - Demelo/Poolman

Would be willing to give up a 2nd and another prospect to add Savard as well to further strengthen the bottom 4 RHD.

Why we already have Stanley and Samberg in bottom 4.

 

[FlappyGiraffe]

Why we already have Stanley and Samberg in bottom 4.

For this run I would say Ekholm is >>> than either of Stanley or Samberg. Samberg hasn't played a single NHL game yet and Stanley has been sheltered by Maurice each game he's played. I'm a believer in both of them, but to make a run this year in the playoffs the team could use a veteran like Ekholm.

If one of Stanley or Samberg forces their way into the top 4 next season, they could always move Ekholm as a rental to recoup the cost we spent trading for him this year.

 

[Adam da bomb]

For this run I would say Ekholm is >>> than either of Stanley or Samberg. Samberg hasn't played a single NHL game yet and Stanley has been sheltered by Maurice each game he's played. I'm a believer in both of them, but to make a run this year in the playoffs the team could use a veteran like Ekholm.

If one of Stanley or Samberg forces their way into the top 4 next season, they could always move Ekholm as a rental to recoup the cost we spent trading for him this year.

Didn’t say no to elkhound I said no to elkhound and savard but look how long it’s taking pld to get going and tell me rentals work.

 

[FlappyGiraffe]

Didn’t say no to elkhound I said no to elkhound and savard but look how long it’s taking pld to get going and tell me rentals work.

Oh gotcha. Yeah Savard is a bit less of a justifiable move if they had already made a move for Ekholm, but it's just something I would personally be on board with if he can be had for a good deal considering how he plays in the playoffs.

 

[boredmale]

They should have just signed Hamonic. Now they can trade for him

 

[howkie]

They should have just signed Hamonic. Now they can trade for him

He asked for a top-4

 

[GrandmaCookie]

Didn’t say no to elkhound I said no to elkhound and savard but look how long it’s taking pld to get going and tell me rentals work.

He has 7 points in his first 12 games, pacing for 48pts over 82 points which is 6 points from his career average of 54/82. He won't get going that much more than he currently his. Were you expecting a PPG player with Dubois?

 

[RRenegade]

With Stanley playing OK and Heinola & Samberg marinating with the Moose, I think the Jets will have adequate defensive depth by the time the playoffs arrive.

Chevy isn't going to spend assets for nothing.
I could see Chevy giving up a 3rd or 4th round pick for some depth defenseman but nothing more.

 

[Guffman]

With Stanley playing OK and Heinola & Samberg marinating with the Moose, I think the Jets will have adequate defensive depth by the time the playoffs arrive.

Chevy isn't going to spend assets for nothing.
I could see Chevy giving up a 3rd or 4th round pick for some depth defenseman but nothing more.

It’s not depth that we should worry about. It’s about having a quality d-man that can eat minutes.

 

[Montecristo]

Hey winnipeg you want matt grzcelyk?