Who wins the first game of the regular season: Leafs or Jets?

[Pyrophorus]

Based on some of the comments in this thread, some people better really hope that the Leafs don't have any injuries this year. Otherwise, they're gonna look like fools...

No they won't. Wouldn't you rather the Leafs lose with a full lineup? Do you want to give them an excuse?

If so, we have the Tampa excuse of the past season.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

Over the part three seasons Mason has faced 4648 shots and let in 383 goals, a .918 sv%

Same time frame Anderson has faced 4574 shots and given up 380 goals, a .916 sv%

So I assume the Leafs are one of the 5 or 6 teams that is looking to face less success than the Jets next year??

What a shock that your sample size includes Mason's best year and excludes Andersen's best year

 

[Whileee]

Not as bold as going with Mason as your starting goalie. What are you even trying to prove here

Nothing to prove.

I think Mason is a big improvement, and in tandem with Hellebuyck I think the Jets might finally get league-average goaltending. You and I obviously disagree on that point.

 

[JetsHomer]

Not as bold as going with Mason as your starting goalie. What are you even trying to prove here

Going back 4 years (the entirety of Anderson's career) leaves you with a .9178 sv% for Anderson, .9174 for Mason

Mason and Anderson are the exact same goaltender.

 

[Whileee]

What a shock that your sample size includes Mason's best year and excludes Andersen's best year

Okay, 4 seasons....

Mason: 6399 shots, 0.917 save%
Andersen: 5357 shots, 0.918 save%

 

[Advanced stats]

Over the part three seasons Mason has faced 4648 shots and let in 383 goals, a .918 sv%

Same time frame Anderson has faced 4574 shots and given up 380 goals, a .916 sv%

So I assume the Leafs are one of the 5 or 6 teams that is looking to face less success than the Jets next year??

"Guys guys we can only go back 3 or 4 years! We have to include Andersen's early years but not Mason's! It has to fit the Jets narrative!"


Remember Mason's .911 career average? Or his .913 in the last 2 seasons?(not even top 30 in the league)
Mason has one good season in the last 10 years.(not count the 7 game season) You can hold on to that one season and try to twist the facts to console yourself...but he's a subpar goalie and barely better than Hellebyuck.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

Going back 4 years (the entirety of Anderson's career) leaves you with a .9178 sv% for Anderson, .9174 for Mason

Mason and Anderson are the exact same goaltender.

If you include Mason's peak performance that he'll never repeat, then sure. If you ignore that outlying piece of data, then not really

 

[Whileee]

Remember Mason's .911 career average? Or his .913 in the last 2 seasons?(not even top 30 in the league)
Mason has one good season in the last 10 years.(not count the 7 game season) You can hold on to that one season and try to twist the facts to console yourself...but he's a subpar goalie and barely better than Hellebyuck.

That's plain false. What's the deal?

0.917 in 2013/14 (61 games)
0.928 in 2014/15 (51 games)
0.918 in 2015/16 (54 games)

 

[Advanced stats]

That's plain false. What's the deal?

0.917 in 2013/14 (61 games)
0.928 in 2014/15 (51 games)
0.918 in 2015/16 (54 games)

Now, which one is the outlier and which ones are simply average?

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

Okay, 4 seasons....

Mason: 6399 shots, 0.917 save%
Andersen: 5357 shots, 0.918 save%

I'm not even very high on Andersen but he's considerably better than Mason if you want to be real about it. He's an average goalie, and Mason is a below average goalie even with his freakish .928 season. Take that out and they are not even close

 

[Whileee]

Now, which one is the outlier and which ones are simply average?

0.928 is an outlier.

I'd be happy with 0.917 or 0.918, which is what I would expect from Andersen based on his past performance, too. You falsely claimed that he had only 1 good season in the past 10, unless you think .917 or .918 isn't a good season.

 

[JetsHomer]

Now, which one is the outlier and which ones are simply average?

.908
.918
.928
.917
.916

Mason the last 5 years. Pretty clear which year is the outlier, and it's not the one biased Leafs fans are trying to pretend it is

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

.908
.918
.928
.917
.916

Mason the last 5 years. Pretty clear which year is the outlier, and it's not the one biased Leafs fans are trying to pretend it is

if you think Mason is going to put up a 920 this year all the power to you. But he won't

 

[Advanced stats]

.908
.918
.928
.917
.916

Mason the last 5 years. Pretty clear which year is the outlier, and it's not the one biased Leafs fans are trying to pretend it is

.928 is the furthest one away from the average. Pretty clearly it's the outlier. Math isn't your strong suit I see..

 

[JetsHomer]

if you think Mason is going to put up a 920 this year all the power to you. But he won't

I expect him to be around .916, which he has been the past 5 seasons

 

[Whileee]

Just for fun...

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[Whileee]

if you think Mason is going to put up a 920 this year all the power to you. But he won't

Jets will be in good shape if he is at 0.913-0.915 or so...

 

[Advanced stats]

Just for fun...

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Again, that 3 year time frame is really deciving..

 

[cneely]

Whether Mason is better than Andersson or not is really not the point to me. He's pretty much guaranteed to be better than Hutchinson and should be better than Hellebuyck as well. He's definitely an improvement in an area the Jets needed to improve on.

 

[JetsHomer]

Again, that 3 year time frame is really deciving..

He's a .918 goalie over the past 3 years or the past 5 years my dude. You can look exclusively at his .908 year if you choose to. Intelligent hockey analysts will go beyond that.

 

[Daximus]

Whether Mason is better than Andersson or not is really not the point to me. He's pretty much guaranteed to be better than Hutchinson and should be better than Hellebuyck as well. He's definitely an improvement in an area the Jets needed to improve on.

That is really all we needed. Heck if we get league average goaltending we are in the best position we have ever been in with our offence.

 

[Falco Lombardi]

Neither team wins. The shootout lasts so long the next game plays and finishes first

 

[The Winter Soldier]

Laine had what 5 goals against the Leafs last year? Where the Jets got 3 out of 4 points in games played head to head. Anything can happen in 1 game. But this would seem to a good start to if one is looking for an edge in predictions.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

Laine had what 5 goals against the Leafs last year? Where the Jets got 3 out of 4 points in games played head to head. Anything can happen in 1 game. But this would seem to a good start to if one is looking for an edge in predictions.

I'm glad you pointed this out. The Leafs only got 3 out of 4 points in games played head to head which is a huge disadvantage

 

[snowkiddin]

No they won't. Wouldn't you rather the Leafs lose with a full lineup? Do you want to give them an excuse?

If so, we have the Tampa excuse of the past season.

Meh. I don't really care how they lose. I don't even really care if they lose. I'm more focused on cheering on my team. But people acting like the Leafs have led some kind of breakthrough by dumping money into sports science because they happened to have few injuries last year, is, well, quite a reach. I'm just saying that if the Leafs have injuries this year that the people claiming the Leafs not running into injuries last year as a skill will look foolish.