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Looked at who is tearing up the other leagues?KHL is quickly becoming of the weakest Pro leagues,
to put things in perspective, Linden Vey, Cam Barker, and Philip Larsen tear up that league.
Looked at who is tearing up the other leagues?KHL is quickly becoming of the weakest Pro leagues,
to put things in perspective, Linden Vey, Cam Barker, and Philip Larsen tear up that league.
Sure pal... you "bow out" because you can't admit that you lost this debate fair and square. Though I don't even know why I'm wasting my time here trying to explain someone why the KHL is easily the 2nd best league in the world, since that should be obvious to everyone who claims to be a hockey fan in 2017. But hey, whatever you want to believe in your delusions.Anyway I feel like I've done enough to distract from the topic of the thread, I'm going bow out of the league discussion here.
i wonder whyOf course not. There are so many things wrong with conversions like this and the way they are drawn from the data. If only to mention one thing, consider: who actually comes from the KHL to play in the NHL? Usually only talented young players on a sharp development curve, then a few stars who think they have a decent shot. Who comes from the AHL? Pretty much anybody, filling in for injuries, etc., including large numbers of wily veterans who have figured out the AHL but of course aren't going to be scorers in the NHL.
Anyway I feel like I've done enough to distract from the topic of the thread, I'm going bow out of the league discussion here.
I think Tolvanen is clearly ahead of Pettersson in terms of impact at this time, but not because of the points or the league. He's just quicker and more dynamic. Pettersson you're still looking at the upside, a lot of development still to happen there even though he's picking up some points.
That said, the KHL is not clearly better than the SHL and certainly not the AHL. Any league where Linden Vey is your leading scorer by a wide margin is by definition a joke.
We are speaking about the 2017 draft, not 2012. The development of each player take a different time with a different ceiling.It's absolutely impossible to compare nhlers with other 2010 draft players. Skinner put up 31g 63p in NHL, and you trying to say that Tarasenko guy can be better than him. LOL.
It's absolutely impossible to compare nhlers with other 2011 draft players. Kucherov will be better, than RNH? LMAO.
... 2012... Forsberg>Yakupov? Are you insane?
2013 Buchnevich>Nichushkin? Just stop!
We are speaking about the 2017 draft, not 2012. The development of each player take a different time with a different ceiling.
Training camp was 2 months ago. Only 2 players were able to play at NHL level.
Why Heiskanen is not playing in the (not very good) Dallas Defence if he deserves 1 oa?
Why Petterson is not playing with the canucks, who have litterally only one good scoring line?
The fact is that there is a ravine between NHL and euro leagues/AHL.
i wonder why
Maybe it's because, AHL teams are owned by NHL teams.. Of course they fill an injury from there. After all, those players are allready under contract with NHL teams.
Do some research before asking something like this.We are speaking about the 2017 draft, not 2012. The development of each player take a different time with a different ceiling.
Training camp was 2 months ago. Only 2 players were able to play at NHL level.
Why Heiskanen is not playing in the (not very good) Dallas Defence if he deserves 1 oa?
Why Petterson is not playing with the canucks, who have litterally only one good scoring line?
The fact is that there is a ravine between NHL and euro leagues/AHL.
Heiskanen got injured just before the camp so what were they supposed to do? Throw him in on the rink without a clue how he could take it? Now we can be pretty sure Miro would've made the roster if he was healthy. Not a chance someone like Lindell is the better player even as things stand today. He had bad luck but in the long run it really doesn't mean a thing.
It's absolutely impossible to compare nhlers with other 2010 draft players. Skinner put up 31g 63p in NHL, and you trying to say that Tarasenko guy can be better than him. LOL.
It's absolutely impossible to compare nhlers with other 2011 draft players. Kucherov will be better, than RNH? LMAO.
... 2012... Forsberg>Yakupov? Are you insane?
2013 Buchnevich>Nichushkin? Just stop!
Look...Of course that's why, but you're not following my reasoning...the point was that a much more diverse population of players come from AHL to the NHL that get factored into the conversion score compared to players coming from the KHL to the NHL, particular skewing more toward veterans who are not likely to take a step in development or be scorers at higher levels. The players who come from the KHL to the NHL are generally young players who are likely to become much better players over a summer, and players who come over with the hope that they will be scorers...not many come over to try and make it as grinders, even though I'm sure there are productive KHL players who have the skillset to be decent NHL grinders (but not productive) - they generally don't come over.
As for that other guy...if you're so interested in the topic make a thread titled: the KHL is clearly the second best league in the world. I'm pretty sure there's plenty of people other than me who will explain to you, using the same clear arguments I've made, why you're delusional (e.g. Vey and Dawes would not be leading the AHL in scoring). This isn't the place for that.
We are speaking about the 2017 draft, not 2012. The development of each player take a different time with a different ceiling.
Training camp was 2 months ago. Only 2 players were able to play at NHL level.
Why Heiskanen is not playing in the (not very good) Dallas Defence if he deserves 1 oa?
Why Petterson is not playing with the canucks, who have litterally only one good scoring line?
The fact is that there is a ravine between NHL and euro leagues/AHL.
Of course that's why, but you're not following my reasoning...the point was that a much more diverse population of players come from AHL to the NHL that get factored into the conversion score compared to players coming from the KHL to the NHL, particular skewing more toward veterans who are not likely to take a step in development or be scorers at higher levels. The players who come from the KHL to the NHL are generally young players who are likely to become much better players over a summer, and players who come over with the hope that they will be scorers...not many come over to try and make it as grinders, even though I'm sure there are productive KHL players who have the skillset to be decent NHL grinders (but not productive) - they generally don't come over.
As for that other guy...if you're so interested in the topic make a thread titled: the KHL is clearly the second best league in the world. I'm pretty sure there's plenty of people other than me who will explain to you, using the same clear arguments I've made, why you're delusional (e.g. Vey and Dawes would not be leading the AHL in scoring). This isn't the place for that.
You take Lindell over Heiskanen today.
Lindell - Klingberg
Methot - Heiskanen
Hamhuis - Johns
That should be the defense we roll with right now. Sadly we are stuck with Oleksiak/Pateryn because of Methot injury and Heiskanen in Liiga.
I disagree with that. He has his warts, but contributes good things to the team. He's a serviceable top-4 defenseman on this team and has the potential to become an elite #3-style defenseman in a year or two.Lindell really isn't that good.
Heiskanen got injured just before the camp so what were they supposed to do? Throw him in on the rink without a clue how he could take it? Now we can be pretty sure Miro would've made the roster if he was healthy. Not a chance someone like Lindell is the better player even as things stand today. He had bad luck but in the long run it really doesn't mean a thing.
Yes you might but I wouldn't. The only advantage Lindell has over Heiskanen even today is size and having NHL level of physicality is always a result of hard training. Miro is younger so obviously he's not tougher, but he makes up all of that by his hockey smarts and I wouldn't hesitate to say he'd be a better defender than Lindell already (who was close to taking a plane back home just a year ago). Luckily next season that's not a decision one has to take. I think Heiskanen would have made it to the roster had he not been injured but I see absolutely nothing bad about having extra year in Finland.
Agreed, I would take Heiskanen over Lindell easily. Lindell really isn't that good.
1: Pettersson
2: Hischier
3: Heiskanen
4: Patrick
5: Mittelstadt
It's really not that far fetched. I don't agree with it but all of Hischier, Patrick, Heiskanen, Pettersson and Tolvanen have valid arguments for going 1 in a redraft even though i wouldn't change pretty much anything seeing how it's too early.
I don't see how Mittelstadt would actually have increased his stock. His scoring really isn't very impressive for the league.1: Pettersson
2: Hischier
3: Heiskanen
4: Patrick
5: Mittelstadt
1: Pettersson
2: Hischier
3: Heiskanen
4: Patrick
5: Mittelstadt