Proposal: Trade Proposal Thread Part 10

[sampollock]

MB will trade picks and youth, he wants to compete, so taking off a roster player, would mean he is getting a A1 player,

i say wideman out of calgary,

 

[Le Barron de HF]

MB will trade picks and youth, he wants to compete, so taking off a roster player, would mean he is getting a A1 player,

i say wideman out of calgary,

Wideman is done.

 

[sampollock]

MB likes the guy he can get for 2nd rounders,

hopefully this year, he improves the offer and gets a better forward.

 

[BigHabs]

Wideman is done.

I wouldn't say he is done, he does have 12pts this year.

I could see a pickup like that for the playoffs. Calgary would eat half of his salary. Be the bottom pairing dman. Move around the backend where needed.

 

[covfefe]

It will be entirely fair to be so pissed if we get rid of our 2nds on the shoulders of what is clearly becoming a nothing season

 

[Le Barron de HF]

I wouldn't say he is done, he does have 12pts this year.

I could see a pickup like that for the playoffs. Calgary would eat half of his salary. Be the bottom pairing dman. Move around the backend where needed.

Let's be honest here. Even at 50%, I don't think Wideman is a good acquisition. The dude has been a healthy scratch this season, is incredibly slow and 12 pts in 32 GP for a PP specialist doesn't make the hair on my arms stand.

 

[Le Barron de HF]

It will be entirely fair to be so pissed if we get rid of our 2nds on the shoulders of what is clearly becoming a nothing season

What do you mean?

 

[Uncle Gary]

We shouldn't be wasting 2nd rounders on washed up players. We need to put a package together to get another core piece (Duchene).

 

[Habitant le colon]

We shouldn't be wasting 2nd rounders on washed up players. We need to put a package together to get another core piece (Duchene).

THIS ^ !

We shall try to get a real piece or a real young skater like Danault last year ... we shall not bargain for a location

 

[Mike Hasselhoffman]

We shouldn't be wasting 2nd rounders on washed up players. We need to put a package together to get another core piece (Duchene).

Completely agree. If we want to compete while Price and Weber are still in their primes, we can't have a guy like Plekanec as our 2C. Duchene would be a wonderful addition to our group, young and in his prime, plus his style fits our strengths: speed. Just imagine a line with Byron and Duchene together

 

[Mike Hasselhoffman]

MB will trade picks and youth, he wants to compete, so taking off a roster player, would mean he is getting a A1 player,

i say wideman out of calgary,

We don't really have a need for Wideman. Weber, Markov, Petry, and Beaulieu are our 4 point-men on the PP, and all 4 are better options than Wideman.

 

[Sterling Archer]

Michangelo was responding to one part of the post though and I agree with him. Sergachev isn't worth a superstar, he hasn't proven anything yet. An aging vet? Sure. But that's not the same thing as a superstar.

Well here what you said about the same proposal earlier.

There are very few players in the league I'd give that up for. Duchene is not one of them.

So you're ok with trading Sergachev as part of a package for Duchene but not Gally and a late 1st??

Please clarify or am I missing something.

 

[Garbageyuk]

There is no way in hell I trade Sergachev in a deal involving Duchene.

1) Markov has maybe one or two years left maximum, Sergachev was drafted to replace the General. The team evaluated that the hole on defense once Markov is gone is more important than picking a potential top six center, otherwise they would have picked Jost or Brown instead of Sergachev.

2) Sure we have a huge hole down the middle but we also happen to have Chucky who IMO will be a better play than Duchene. Duchene is a 1A/1B and not a legitimate number one center. That's without even mentioning the additional assets people are putting in these proposals. The only centers (that are realistic targets) I'd trade Sergachev straight up or in a package for are: Tavares, Couture, Draisatl, Pavelski, Bergeron, Malkin.

Get your head checked.

 

[covfefe]

What do you mean?

I don't see this team being one that competes for the cup, with this core, and trading 2nds/roster pieces won't net us the assets to get to that level as it is. We've consistently lost games to the league's elite this year: 2x (lopsided) to SJS, once to Chicago, Anaheim, the Blues, the Wild, 2x to CBJ who are obviously a very strong team, NYE loss to the Pens (obviously we manhandled them early in the season). And with the expansion draft looming, and the above in mind, I don't see us being able to afford the pieces (Duchene, Landeskog, Fowler, etc) to get to the next level. That's neither a surprise, nor a complaint, it's just my opinion that this is not an elite team in the NHL this season.

SO: would much rather build up a prospect pool that is becoming increasingly depleted, or at least try to. Particularly given that our scouting dept has consistently been able to find gems in the 2nd+ region. Rather than hemorrhage assets in pursuit of a championship with a non-championship roster, I'd like to see us try to find a couple gems in the 2nd this summer. There is more parity this year between the ~15th-60th picks than we have seen of late as well. So as someone who primarily follows jr hockey above the NHL, I'd like to see management: a) identify that, and, b) act on it

 

[Garbageyuk]

By the time Sergachev develops, the Leafs will be a powerhouse and our core players will be on the decline, there's hardly anything else in the pipeline that would suggest they could replace our current core players. We need to go all in this year and the next, Sergachev is our best trade asset, we need to parlay last season's failure to acquire immediate help.

Exactly. Could not be stated any better. Idk why people dont get this. Even if Sergachev becomes a No. 1 defenseman (unlikely), he will make no difference in this team's Cup chances by the time he develops. Trading him in a package for a 1/2 C will give us a chance now.

 

[V13]

It will be entirely fair to be so pissed if we get rid of our 2nds on the shoulders of what is clearly becoming a nothing season

Habs are 22-9-6 , 4th in the East , 6th in the league , have a differential of +27 and are missing their 1C who was a PPG before getting injuired.

Compare that with Chicago who are 23-12-5 in 40 games played , 1st in the West. Habs have 3 games in hand on them. My point is that if the Habs are going nowhere then there are a ******** of teams who don't as well and that's including the top team in the West.

You are jumping to conclusions way too fast. December was very average but it's not like it was an epic slide like last year. We still got a bunch of pts out of it and the team has worked hard in almost every game even when they loss.

We are still very much in it. Trading for help will only boost that. If we can get some help upfront or on D for only 2nd without touching ourtop prosepct in the farm then by all mean do it. Habs have like 5 2nd round pick in the next two years.

It's like people are expecting the team to go 82-0-0 or something

 

[Habs]

Depends what Colorado wants to give up. I don't think Duchesne helps this team that much, not with this system. He doesn't play a physical game. Would love Jeff Carter though!

 

[Devourers]

Depends what Colorado wants to give up. I don't think Duchesne helps this team that much, not with this system. He doesn't play a physical game. Would love Jeff Carter though!

With LA in the playoff race, chances of landing Carter are slim, and I think the overpayment required for Duchene or Carter would be similar.

I'd love either player for the record, Carter is actually one of my favorite players in the NHL and I think he'd fit this team VERY well. But he's 32 and would cost an arm and a leg.

Duchene is 7 years younger, is also a goal scorer, has amazing speed and IMO even in this system would fit this team very well.

I'd rather overpay for the 25yr old than the 32yr old, even if Carter is a slightly better fit due to being a solid two-way player. Having Galchenyuk and Duchene as our top 2C for years to come would soften the sting of losing our top D prospect more than a few years of Carter who will decline a lot sooner.

At the end of the day I'll be happy if we get either player but I'd just prefer Duchene for these reasons. Plus, maybe we could get them to give us Landeskog as well in a blockbuster

 

[covfefe]

Habs are 22-9-6 , 4th in the East , 6th in the league , have a differential of +27 and are missing their 1C who was a PPG before getting injuired.

Compare that with Chicago who are 23-12-5 in 40 games played , 1st in the West. Habs have 3 games in hand on them. My point is that if the Habs are going nowhere then there are a ******** of teams who don't as well and that's including the top team in the West.

You are jumping to conclusions way too fast. December was very average but it's not like it was an epic slide like last year. We still got a bunch of pts out of it and the team has worked hard in almost every game even when they loss.

We are still very much in it. Trading for help will only boost that. If we can get some help upfront or on D for only 2nd without touching ourtop prosepct in the farm then by all mean do it. Habs have like 5 2nd round pick in the next two years.

It's like people are expecting the team to go 82-0-0 or something

I'm don't think I am jumping to conclusions, nor am I sure if you even read my post. I am a pretty reasonable poster, don't expect you to know my post history, but hyperbole is certainly not my style. I'm the last person to expect 82-0 help or even 60-22.

We have lost near every game we have played to comparably placed teams, standings wise. If you don't see an issue with that, that is your prerogative. Did you watch the games against SJS? Did you like what you saw? I don't see us getting past teams like NYR or Pittsburgh in a best of 7. I definitely don't see us getting it in good against the best from the West.

What I wrote is simply my opinion, and I watch every game. Show me the teams we beat in a 7 game series with our C depth. Even when Galchenyuk returns, we are in pretty bad against teams running Crosby-Malkin; Couture-Thornton; Backstrom-Kuznetsov; Kesler-Getzlaf; hell even Brassard-Turris - Toews-Anisimov - Staal-Koivu are better combinations than Galchenyuk-Pleky. Most of the teams in our wheelhouse in the standings have 3Cs who are superior to our 2C. And where will we fill that hole, without losing significant pieces (read: not 2nd round picks)?

Fact remains that, without haemorrhaging the farm or our winger depth, we won't be able to net the players to fill in that glaring hole at 2C. So why bother pursuing nothing trades to 'help our depth upfront' when all we have is exactly that - depth upfront, albeit in the form of a plethora of bottom 6 type players.

It's disappointing that you can't offer an opinion around here, for the most part, without receiving some hyperbolic 'expect us to go 82-0' BS in return.

 

[Habs]

With LA in the playoff race, chances of landing Carter are slim, and I think the overpayment required for Duchene or Carter would be similar.

I'd love either player for the record, Carter is actually one of my favorite players in the NHL and I think he'd fit this team VERY well. But he's 32 and would cost an arm and a leg.

Duchene is 7 years younger, is also a goal scorer, has amazing speed and IMO even in this system would fit this team very well.

I'd rather overpay for the 25yr old than the 32yr old, even if Carter is a slightly better fit due to being a solid two-way player. Having Galchenyuk and Duchene as our top 2C for years to come would soften the sting of losing our top D prospect more than a few years of Carter who will decline a lot sooner.

At the end of the day I'll be happy if we get either player but I'd just prefer Duchene for these reasons. Plus, maybe we could get them to give us Landeskog as well in a blockbuster

I would be happy either way too.

 

[V13]

With LA in the playoff race, chances of landing Carter are slim, and I think the overpayment required for Duchene or Carter would be similar.

I'd love either player for the record, Carter is actually one of my favorite players in the NHL and I think he'd fit this team VERY well. But he's 32 and would cost an arm and a leg.

Duchene is 7 years younger, is also a goal scorer, has amazing speed and IMO even in this system would fit this team very well.

I'd rather overpay for the 25yr old than the 32yr old, even if Carter is a slightly better fit due to being a solid two-way player. Having Galchenyuk and Duchene as our top 2C for years to come would soften the sting of losing our top D prospect more than a few years of Carter who will decline a lot sooner.

At the end of the day I'll be happy if we get either player but I'd just prefer Duchene for these reasons. Plus, maybe we could get them to give us Landeskog as well in a blockbuster

Duchene is also one of the best faceoff man in the league which is something we deseparetly need in the top 6 as Chucky and Plekanec are poor and average respectively.

Age considered i'd go after Duchene over Carter as well

 

[Le Barron de HF]

I don't see this team being one that competes for the cup, with this core, and trading 2nds/roster pieces won't net us the assets to get to that level as it is. We've consistently lost games to the league's elite this year: 2x (lopsided) to SJS, once to Chicago, Anaheim, the Blues, the Wild, 2x to CBJ who are obviously a very strong team, NYE loss to the Pens (obviously we manhandled them early in the season). And with the expansion draft looming, and the above in mind, I don't see us being able to afford the pieces (Duchene, Landeskog, Fowler, etc) to get to the next level. That's neither a surprise, nor a complaint, it's just my opinion that this is not an elite team in the NHL this season.

SO: would much rather build up a prospect pool that is becoming increasingly depleted, or at least try to. Particularly given that our scouting dept has consistently been able to find gems in the 2nd+ region. Rather than hemorrhage assets in pursuit of a championship with a non-championship roster, I'd like to see us try to find a couple gems in the 2nd this summer. There is more parity this year between the ~15th-60th picks than we have seen of late as well. So as someone who primarily follows jr hockey above the NHL, I'd like to see management: a) identify that, and, b) act on it

Fair enough, I respect your opinion as a draft junkie and contributor to the site, so I can understand why you're not a fan of the management trading away so many second round picks when you have a list of ton of interesting names. That being said, I think you're selling this team short. I think if the team can land a decent center, we can definitely go far in our conference. Yes we have consistently lost games to the league's elite but (i'm going off my memory here) other than the first game versus the Sharks & Columbus, I think the games were competitive and we've shown that we can compete with teams like Pittsburgh and Washington even with injuries. I understand your POV and agree with it when people are suggesting trading picks for a guy like Hanzal but I don't think rentals shouldn't be an option if we truly acquire a player that can bring us one step closer to the Stanley Cup.

 

[V13]

I'm don't think I am jumping to conclusions, nor am I sure if you even read my post. I am a pretty reasonable poster, don't expect you to know my post history, but hyperbole is certainly not my style. I'm the last person to expect 82-0 help or even 60-22.

We have lost near every game we have played to comparably placed teams, standings wise. If you don't see an issue with that, that is your prerogative. Did you watch the games against SJS? Did you like what you saw? I don't see us getting past teams like NYR or Pittsburgh in a best of 7. I definitely don't see us getting it in good against the best from the West.

What I wrote is simply my opinion, and I watch every game. Show me the teams we beat in a 7 game series with our C depth. Even when Galchenyuk returns, we are in pretty bad against teams running Crosby-Malkin; Couture-Thornton; Backstrom-Kuznetsov; Kesler-Getzlaf; hell even Brassard-Turris - Toews-Anisimov - Staal-Koivu are better combinations than Galchenyuk-Pleky. Most of the teams in our wheelhouse in the standings have 3Cs who are superior to our 2C. And where will we fill that hole, without losing significant pieces (read: not 2nd round picks)?

Fact remains that, without haemorrhaging the farm or our winger depth, we won't be able to net the players to fill in that glaring hole at 2C. So why bother pursuing nothing trades to 'help our depth upfront' when all we have is exactly that - depth upfront, albeit in the form of a plethora of bottom 6 type players.

It's disappointing that you can't offer an opinion around here, for the most part, without receiving some hyperbolic 'expect us to go 82-0' BS in return.

Sorry if i offended you that wasn't my intention. My point is that while you may not see us as contenders , we are still very much in it. In 2009-2010 we were supposed to be 1st round fodder and yet we beat the top 2 teams in the Easr in Pitt and Wsh. You never know what can happen in the playoffs and we have a much better team now than then. As i said we have a bunch of 2nd round picks in the next 2 years. I don,t see the point of stockpiling all of them when those are far from a sure thing. Getting help by spending 2nds actually make us more of a contender. I understand not wanting to trade guys like Sergachev , Scherbak , McCarron etc but trading picks for immediate help isn't exactly that damaging i the long run , especially considering that we have five of them in the nest two years. Spending 2 or 3 or those ain't going to kill us. Also , by the time those 2nd rounders may pan out or not , our windows may be closed.

I respect your opinion but we'll have to agree to disagree on this.

 

[NateTheGr8]

How did we get two seconds for Lars Eller lol

 

[Sterling Archer]

How did we get two seconds for Lars Eller lol

Same team that traded Forsberg for Erat!