We want one of your best players. You can have absolutely anything from us that we don't need.
Laughable. It would have taken at least Sergachev to get one of those two, and you already traded him away for a lesser forward.replace brown/kapanen with nylander/marner and you have the value but still dont see habs doing it, because whats the point of being loaded up front with D that totally sucks? you end up getting swept first round by Boston, although maybe with Price its possible to advance a little farther.
lol wut
weber is still a pretty solid dman...he's not beign moved for a bunch of nothing
As an outsider. Isn't Weber still consider an elite defensemen or did something happen to him?
apparently the same vacuum you live in, but you know, as a non-hab fanWeber is at best breakeven value with that contract. Unless Karlsson and Doughty are fetching over 10m giving up much in way of assets for Weber is crazy. What kind of vacuum do you live in?
apparently the same vacuum you live in, but you know, as a non-hab fan
And he could also be bad in another year or so and then you can't get out of the contract at which point "only" 6 years to go.
1st is good
Bracco/Nielsen/Leivo -I mean depending on what you want to gamble on. Bracco for example has been around PT/Game for sometime in the AHL, recent 2nd rounder
Kapanen/Brown - Young middle 6 wingers that will likely give you around 20 goals if they got top 9 ice time
Zaitsev- 2nd/3rd pairing RD
Martin - yes, cap dump - his term is lesser then Shaw though - only produced 8 less points then Shaw as well in the same GP and zero PP time
What else are you expecting? Weber's contract *could* look bad anytime now (again, I am willing to risk it, but it is considered a risk for a reason), Shaw (1m retained) and Deslaurier are not exactly assets that you have the entire league out to acquire.
Why will he be an anchor in 2 years?
Ok as an outsider. I of the opinion getting a true #1 dman doesn't come cheap. Jones for Johansen as an example. Pretty ridiculous what I am seeing purposed.
We need some solid blue liners, but Weber is not the answer for us with his contract. Wonder if there will be another purge of bad contracts like there was with previous CBA.
None of this really addresses any needs for the Habs and there aren't any great future pieces for us to rebuild with.
As an outsider. Isn't Weber still consider an elite defensemen or did something happen to him?
Ok as an outsider. I of the opinion getting a true #1 dman doesn't come cheap. Jones for Johansen as an example. Pretty ridiculous what I am seeing purposed.
You are failing to take contracts into account in your valuations.
Shea Weber signed for another 2 years or so would have value. He is nowhere near what he used to be and the changing landscape of the NHL has made his lack of mobility a bigger liability than years past, but he still has his shot and is solid in netfront defense. Soon to be 33 year old Shea Weber signed for another 8 years with an 8 million dollar cap hit has considerably less value (if any). The things in his game that are problematic now are the type of thing that will only be exacerbated by aging, and playing only 20 something games this year now raise additional injury concerns.
Nobody is taking on that albatross of a contract plus Shaw as a cap dump (so adding 12M in cap) and giving up a ton of value... especially if all you're willing to take back are ELC players
I understand that. The contract isn't ideal. 7.1m until 2026. I also think it's worth noting Chris Chelios was an effective NHL dman well into his 40s. So there is that too.
If we had a 33 year old #1C on max term at 8M, you may be right. Feel free to scour the league looking for one. I thought Montreal was planning to rebuild personally.Ok as an outsider. I of the opinion getting a true #1 dman doesn't come cheap. Jones for Johansen as an example. Pretty ridiculous what I am seeing purposed.
If you want Weber be prepared something of value not the crap your offering.Not looking to go nuclear here by trading a bunch of core pieces but think that the Leafs might want to look at what is available to tweak the roster this summer. Wanting to throw this out there and see what needs to be done, if anything to alter it.
Leafs 1st (2018)
Brown/Kapanen - Habs choice
Martin (cap)
Bracco/Nielsen - Habs choice
Zaitsev (replacement RHD - equals out term)
for
Weber (no retention)
Shaw (1M retention)
Deslauriers
Rationale for the retention was Martin's contract ends sooner but it has been out there previously that Montreal was looking to maybe move on from his contract. I'm probably more into acquiring Weber then most Leaf fans so they might not necessarily be into the move but they can start their own thread
All that being said, yay/nay/tweak ?