Proposal: TOR-MTL (Weber)

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  1. Aldo Montoya

    Aldo Montoya Registered User

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    Wait, who are we talking about?
     
  2. Bigboi123

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    Weber doesn't fit into the age group for the Leafs core
     
  3. Captain Wolverine

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    Ugh, that offer is awful. If Montreal is giving up Weber, to Toronto, they're going to need assets that actually address needs. A late 1st isn't going to cut it. Montreal doesn't need wingers, and they sure as hell don't want Zaitsev.

    I'll refrain from mentioning any of the big 3 forwards, but any offer has to have at the bare minimum a 1st and Liljgren.

    This is all moot, since Bergevin isn't going to trade Weber for anything but an overpay (since he actually likes him).

    Horton and Savard were actually medically unable to play. At all. Horton doesn't retire because he collects quite a bit of money. Savard didn't retire because Boston didn't want to be hit with cap recapture and he was traded with the understanding that he wouldn't retire.

    Weber will be able to play next year and their isn't a reason to suspect he'll suddenly get concussion issues. Montreal doesn't have any cap recapture liability. Weber has a crazy back diving contract. The NHLPA has nothing to do with this and sees no benefit for him being LTIR'd.

    There's absolutely nothing comparable to Weber and Horton and Savard.
     
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    Berkshire thinks he's still a great defender and has written as such. Weber just isn't as good as Subban and is older than him. Which we all knew two years ago and hasn't changed.
     
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    Exactly. His 8-year deal is practically a 5-year deal when you consider that he could either retire or easily be traded to a cap-floor team by then. Weber should be attractive to any team with a 5-year window and a need on D. There aren't a whole lot of D out there that are a) better than Weber and b) make less than $7.8M ($6M in real dollars). Not that I expect him to be dealt.
     
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    Chara is obviously still better than any D on your team so yes, the leafs absolutely would trade one of Nylander or Marner plus to get that caliber of player (which Weber is, no better comparable) with 8 years of term at what going forward will be a steal for a top minute #1D.
    No fing way in hell i trade a #1d to the leafs for a winger though lol

    A 19 goal, 50pt, 25min a night pace on one of the lowest scoring teams in the league is not declining btw. hes still easily a top 15 D in the league.

    People talking about Weber's contract as if it's bad is hilarious to me. It's one of the best in the league with literally no risk. Look at Chara's recent extension and realize that Weber's contract projects to still be a steal in 8 years time. If hater fantasies do come true and he falls off a cliff at some point he will retire, he's go to much dignity to hang around if he cant keep up. Then Nashville gets the worst cap shaft in history.
     
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    You don't move an asset like Nylander or Marner for a 30+ year old player. If that's what Montreal is after, he'll retire a Hab.
     
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    Very little value coming back in OPs offer.
     
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    You don’t move a top pairing D signed long term like Weber, especially to a divisional rival AND for all their cap dump.

    Think for example, the Sharks trading Burns to Anaheim for Bieksa (If he was signed for another 7 years), another cap dump, a 4th liner and a 2nd round pick. That’s how bad the trade would be for Montreal.

    Let Toronto struggle with their D. Let them keep the big 3. We’ve seen it how well it went for Washington and Toronto is heading the same exact way
     
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    If you want Weber you have to add Nylander or marner. And get rid of Martin.
    Nylander/marner
    2018 first
    Zaitsev
    For Weber
    2018 3rd
     
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    The Leafs would be better off putting Nylander/Marner on waivers and keeping their 1st and cap space.

    Habs fans are in denial thinking Weber is worth anything near that just because their idiot GM paid a monumental price to acquire him.

    Weber will retire with the Canadiens. His actual trade value is peanuts compared to what they gave up to get him, and Bergevin will never admit that he got schooled.

    Even once Bergevin gets inevitably fired, by that time Weber will be half the player he used to be while still carrying a huge cap hit. He's untradeable so I don't see why he's being mentioned in trade proposals.
     
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    Weber's cap hit is probably too much to take for the Leafs (considering the upcoming contracts to their young stars) but he'd make such a difference to their D corps. Add him to this year's lineup and they're serious contenders. Leafs fans might think otherwise but they're not now with that collection of defensemen.
     
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    Johnsson instead of Bracco/Nielsen and add a 2nd and I'd bite. Weber contract would definitely sting Toronto down the road but it would absolutely shore up their D for the next few years
     
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    Man I laugh at some of the sh*t on these boards. Weber is almost done. No one will take on that stupid contract. If he is traded it won't be for as much as people think. He's slowing down, been banged up and played hard for all his years. Catching up to him. As a Leaf fan stay away from him.
     
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    Giving up what money? He won't be making much in the last four years of his deal.
     
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    I wouldn't give up any of that alone.
    I do not want that contract.
     
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    toronto has good d prospects. idk about washington.
     
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    Not looking good right now but he has room to improve. Weber will not improve. He will get worse.
    He's also 6 years younger and half the cap hit.
     
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    Except the "assets" you listed are nothing to build a team on...
     
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    They have good D prospects but none of them are 1st pair quality. Rielly is a very solid #2/ good #1. Gardiner is a #4 and the rest are just bottom pairing D right now.

    You don’t have to like Weber or his contract but he still is an elite #1 and should remain one for a while. He’s just about everything the Leafs would need (unfortunately for you guys, he’s what the Habs needs as well).

    He has been playing like a top 5 D for us since we acquired him, it just sucks that we didn’t have the team or depth to get the most out of him. Hopefully MB find a way to fix our team and give the CP and SW of our team the tools and opportunity to win a cup
     
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    No player is untradeable. As a leaf fan you should know that
     
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    We're not giving you something to build upon by taking your anchor contract. That's already a favour in itself.
     
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    I’d rather have Weber at his contract then Zaitsev at his contract.
     
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    Ya sure. The contract is not as bad as some people make it out to be as if he retires at any point the Habs are not on the hook for anything. So no this is not a favor to the Habs it just makes the Leafs a better team.
     

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