Player Discussion Tim Stützle - L̶W̶/C - Part V

[Burrowsaurus]

Whoever is coaching this pp needs to gtfo

Wrong thread but that's what happens when you rely on someone old and that isn't very good in their position and playing too many minutes and whose name is Holden.

Yeah but. Person wearing different colors is not your teammate

 

[Pierre from Orleans]

Whoever is coaching this pp needs to gtfo


Yeah but. Person wearing different colors is not your teammate

Vision loss is one of the symptoms of old age

 

[Dionysus]

Whoever is coaching this pp needs to gtfo

The players need to execute plays.

 

[Sun God Nika]

47 points in his last 47 games.

49 in 48 now

 

[Liver King]

The players need to execute plays.

that's what a coach is for, they run the practice.

good coaches don't have a magical system or some wealth of knowledge other coaches don't have, they get their teams to execute.

 

[Nova Stutzlia]

49 in 48 now

Yes, and 9 in his last 6, even though he hasn't been all that impressive.

 

[Sun God Nika]

Yes, and 9 in his last 6, even though he hasn't been all that impressive.

If a 20 year old putting up those raw numbers ain’t impressive it’s agree too disagree

 

[Nova Stutzlia]

If a 20 year old putting up those raw numbers ain’t impressive it’s agree too disagree

I phased it that way for the benefit of those who think he should be closer to perfect, or something like that.
I've been a Timmy fan from day one - check my user name.

 

[Agent Zub]

If a 20 year old putting up those raw numbers ain’t impressive it’s agree too disagree

Scoring is so wack though. I think we are still wired to think of 1 ppg guys as elite, when in reality you don't even need to be a true star to hit those numbers anymore.

 

[robsenz]

Probably his best game of the season, but man, I wish he didn't take himself out of the play as a legitimate threat to shoot the puck, Team needs to create some chaos in front of the net, any shot on net can do that. Way too much perimeter passing that's leading to turnovers.

 

[Dionysus]

Probably his best game of the season, but man, I wish he didn't take himself out of the play as a legitimate threat to shoot the puck, Team needs to create some chaos in front of the net, any shot on net can do that. Way too much perimeter passing that's leading to turnovers.

It will come. If he can dial in his accuracy a bit and gains some confidence it will make him a dual threat to shoot or pass.

Right now he shoots high and wide way too often. Wants to pick a corner but just needs to hit the net to start.

The whole team is guilty of overpassing on the perimeter and missing the net when they do shoot.

 

[Qward]

49 in 48 now

So, because hes had games with no points, he is actually 50pts in 50 games since Feb 15th 2022

Game #	Date	Team	G	A	P	Sum
1	14-Nov	vs NYI	0	2	2	2
2	12-Nov	@ PHI	1	1	2	4
3	10-Nov	@ NJD	0	0	0	4
4	08-Nov	vs VAN	1	1	2	6
5	05-Nov	vs PHI	0	1	1	7
6	03-Nov	vs VGK	2	0	2	9
7	01-Nov	@ TBL	0	0	0	9
8	29-Oct	@ FLA	0	0	0	9
9	27-Oct	vs MIN	0	0	0	9
10	24-Oct	vs DAL	0	1	1	10
11	22-Oct	vs ARI	0	2	2	12
12	20-Oct	vs WSH	0	0	0	12
13	18-Oct	vs BOS	1	2	3	15
14	15-Oct	@ TOR	0	0	0	15
15	13-Oct	@ BUF	0	0	0	15
16	29-Apr	@ PHI	0	1	1	16
17	28-Apr	vs FLA	0	0	0	16
18	26-Apr	vs NJD	2	2	4	20
19	23-Apr	vs MTL	0	0	0	20
20	22-Apr	@ CBJ	0	0	0	20
21	19-Apr	@ VAN	0	1	1	21
22	18-Apr	@ SEA	0	0	0	21
23	16-Apr	vs TOR	2	0	2	23
24	14-Apr	@ BOS	1	2	3	26
25	12-Apr	@ DET	2	1	3	29
26	10-Apr	vs WPG	0	1	1	30
27	05-Apr	@ MTL	1	0	1	31
28	03-Apr	vs DET	0	1	1	32
29	01-Apr	@ DET	0	1	1	33
30	29-Mar	@ NSH	0	1	1	34
31	26-Mar	vs FLA	0	0	0	34
32	24-Mar	@ WPG	0	2	2	36
33	22-Mar	@ NYI	0	0	0	36
34	19-Mar	@ MTL	0	1	1	37
35	18-Mar	vs PHI	1	0	1	38
36	16-Mar	vs CBJ	0	0	0	38
37	14-Mar	vs ARI	0	1	1	39
38	12-Mar	vs CHI	0	0	0	39
39	10-Mar	vs SEA	0	1	1	40
40	08-Mar	@ STL	1	2	3	43
41	06-Mar	@ VGK	0	1	1	44
42	05-Mar	@ ARI	0	2	2	46
43	03-Mar	@ FLA	0	0	0	46
44	01-Mar	@ TBL	0	0	0	46
45	26-Feb	vs MTL	0	0	0	46
46	22-Feb	vs MIN	1	0	1	47
47	20-Feb	vs NYR	1	0	1	48
48	19-Feb	vs BOS	1	0	1	49
49	17-Feb	@ BUF	0	0	0	49
50	15-Feb	vs STL	1	0	1	50

 

[Mingus Dew]

Scoring is so wack though. I think we are still wired to think of 1 ppg guys as elite, when in reality you don't even need to be a true star to hit those numbers anymore.

This.

Stu is PPG yet he is 59th in league scoring.

PPG is basically a top 6 player.

 

[Korpse]

This.

Stu is PPG yet he is 59th in league scoring.

PPG is basically a top 6 player.

Basically top 6? Considering there’s 192 top 6 slots. I’d say it’s a bit more than that.

 

[Mingus Dew]

Basically top 6? Considering there’s 192 top 6 slots. I’d say it’s a bit more than that.

Not all guys that play in the their team's top 6 are top 6 players but sort of irrelevant.

To refocus my point, if Stu is going to be an elite player in this league he should be PPG at a minimum this year.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

This.

Stu is PPG yet he is 59th in league scoring.

PPG is basically a top 6 player.

That would mean he’s basically a top line player.

 

[Korpse]

Not all guys that play in the their team's top 6 are top 6 players but sort of irrelevant.

To refocus my point, if Stu is going to be an elite player in this league he should be PPG at a minimum this year.

No literally there are 192 top 6 spots in the league. That’s what defines top 6, not an arbitrary standard.

If he doesn’t hit PPG at minimum this year can he still be an elite player in the future? It’s such an odd demand.

 

[Mingus Dew]

No literally there are 192 top 6 spots in the league. That’s what defines top 6, not an arbitrary standard.

If he doesn’t hit PPG at minimum this year can he still be an elite player in the future? It’s such an odd demand.

It's not a demand it's an opinionated assessment lol. Of course anything is possible.

I'm glad Stu is producing at the level he is. I think that was expected of him given the offensive talent surrounding him and what he was drafted to do.

He could falter this year and still break out or he could take longer to blossom like Mackinnon. But steady linear progression is probably a surer sign of continued improvement into elite territory.

That would mean he’s basically a top line player.

Yes you and @Guuse are right to call me on that comment.

What I should have said is that being PPG does not make you an elite NHL forward in this day and age.

 

[Pinto Bean]

Tim has been getting better & more noticeable as the season has been progressing IMO. Even though the Sens were 4-2 at one point, I thought Tim was rather unnoticable early on this season. Seemed like the puck was bouncing on him more and he didn't seem to have the puck as much as you'd like him to have it. Perhaps that was a byproduct of having a healthier lineup (Norris, etc).

He's still making his mistakes and over-doing things at times, but I'd say he's been far more noticeable the last 5 or so games and his production lines up with that. He's not perfect but he's got a significant lead on u21 scoring and I think he's progressing at a nice rate early on. Hoping this progress continues.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

It's not a demand it's an opinionated assessment lol. Of course anything is possible.

I'm glad Stu is producing at the level he is. I think that was expected of him given the offensive talent surrounding him and what he was drafted to do.

He could falter this year and still break out or he could take longer to blossom like Mackinnon. But steady linear progression is probably a surer sign of continued improvement into elite territory.



Yes you and @Guuse are right to call me on that comment.

What I should have said is that being PPG does not make you an elite NHL forward in this day and age.

Well we will see how the season ends. I think ppg and decent two play is elite

 

[Mingus Dew]

Well we will see how the season ends. I think ppg and decent two play is elite

If he develops into a good 2 way player then yeah I agree.

 

[Nova Stutzlia]

Tim has been getting better & more noticeable as the season has been progressing IMO. Even though the Sens were 4-2 at one point, I thought Tim was rather unnoticable early on this season. Seemed like the puck was bouncing on him more and he didn't seem to have the puck as much as you'd like him to have it. Perhaps that was a byproduct of having a healthier lineup (Norris, etc).

He's still making his mistakes and over-doing things at times, but I'd say he's been far more noticeable the last 5 or so games and his production lines up with that. He's not perfect but he's got a significant lead on u21 scoring and I think he's progressing at a nice rate early on. Hoping this progress continues.

9 points in his last 6 games.
I'd be shocked if he's not above a point/game at season's end.

In the last 2 months of last season he scored at an 88 point pace, and in the last month alone
he scored at a 105 pace. Check it out here:

Tim Stutzle 2021-22 Stats per Game - NHL - ESPN

The 2021-22 NHL season stats per game for Tim Stutzle of the Ottawa Senators on ESPN. Includes full stats, per opponent, for regular and postseason.

www.espn.com

 

[Pinto Bean]

9 points in his last 6 games.
I'd be shocked if he's not above a point/game at season's end.

In the last 2 months of last season he scored at an 88 point pace, and in the last month alone
he scored at a 105 pace. Check it out here:

Tim Stutzle 2021-22 Stats per Game - NHL - ESPN

The 2021-22 NHL season stats per game for Tim Stutzle of the Ottawa Senators on ESPN. Includes full stats, per opponent, for regular and postseason.

www.espn.com

If last season and early-on this season is an indication of anything, Stutzle is an athlete who gets better and more into game shape as the season gets going.

No matter how hard you train in the off-season, there is no better way to getting acclimated to game pace & rhythm than actually playing the games and Timmy might be that kinda player.

 

[Korpse]

It's not a demand it's an opinionated assessment lol. Of course anything is possible.

I'm glad Stu is producing at the level he is. I think that was expected of him given the offensive talent surrounding him and what he was drafted to do.

He could falter this year and still break out or he could take longer to blossom like Mackinnon. But steady linear progression is probably a surer sign of continued improvement into elite territory.

Production isn't always a sign of progression though. It can be but there's too much variance where players can improve and it doesn't always show up in offensive output. I don't think its fair to place a number on any player and say they need to meet it to be on track.

 

[NyQuil]

He's still a kid and he's making an impact like no one else from his draft class is.

It's a little more fair to compare him against his contemporaries than the entire league at age 20.