Confirmed Trade: [TBL/NSH] Tanner Jeannot for Cal Foote, c. 2025 1st round pick, 2024 2nd round pick, 2023 3rd, 4th, and 5th round picks

[Ovi895]

Why would there be any continuity between those two trades? The McDonagh dump worked well for Nashville since they got a great player back for nothing. Tampa didn’t owe Nashville anything in addition.

Jeannot could have been/could be a unique Tom Wilson style asset. Hasn’t worked out this year and he’s now hurt but that’s the reason why a premium was paid. Cause he can be a special power forward with 30+ goal ability. One thing I don’t like about him is he’s already 25 and the primes of power forwards is often unpredictable. If he was a rookie coming in at 20 or something last year and had the scoring season he had, this trade would have been a really good one for Tampa.

They got the back end 4 years of a 6.75 million dollar contract on an over 30 defenseman who started a noticeable decline last season (and continued into this year) who had a very limited NTC. Tampa absolutely owed them which is what this trade reflected.

If you recall the Hagel trade also went in conjunction with Chicago doing Tampa a huge favor in taking a completely washed Tyler Johnson

 

[ClydeLee]

They got the back end 4 years of a 6.75 million dollar contract on an over 30 defenseman who started a noticeable decline last season (and continued into this year) who had a very limited NTC. Tampa absolutely owed them which is what this trade reflected.

If you recall the Hagel trade also went in conjunction with Chicago doing Tampa a huge favor in taking a completely washed Tyler Johnson

What owed? And what Favor.

Why would Chicago owe Tampa for taking a Bigger cap and pay hit with Seabrooks deal plus a 2nd for Tyler Johnson.

 

[Ovi895]

What owed? And what Favor.

Why would Chicago owe Tampa for taking a Bigger cap and pay hit with Seabrooks deal plus a 2nd for Tyler Johnson.

Seabrooks cap hit does not count against the cap for Tampa, it was effectively taking on multiple years of Tyler Johnson at 5 million per for just a second.

The favor was Tampa not minding to overpay for Hagel, though he's broken out this season at the time 2 firsts plus Raddysh looked like a big overpayment

Same dynamic here - take McDonagh with no cap dump going the other way (Tampa saw Myers as an asset otherwise they'd have bought him out and actually got a cap credit for him this year instead of resigning him), as a result be willing to throw in extra if another deal (Jeannot) materializes. Virtually no way they didn't broach the subject of Jeannot last summer

 

[HoseEmDown]

Blake Coleman cost a 1st + recent 1st in the other Foote and had 1 assist his first 9 games played. What he did in the regular season after being acquired didn't matter, what he did in the playoffs to win them the Cup did. Jeannot sucking for 20 games didn't matter, it's what he did when the games for serious did. Him getting injured wasn't part of the plan when he's been healthy his entire career. It sucks that it happened and I'm sure BriseBois isn't happy about it but no one can predict that after a trade.

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

I think people are missing that part of the return was for taking McDonagh last summer when Tampa really needed to unload him. Arguably the 2nd and 3rd round picks part of the return was for that. Just like the give and take between Yzerman and Armstrong in St. Louis where Yzerman sent them a retained Vrana for fre as a TY for the Leddy and Fabbri trades. GMs usually try to cultivate these relationships especially if their teams are in opposite conferences, comes in very handy to have someone on the short list if you're Tampa trying to keep your window open while needing to navigate the cap game after game

Yeah, there's zero connection between these trades. There was no way to know we'd even be trading Jeannot (or anybody else) away at the Deadline. The dream for the Preds was that Jeannot would keep on being a stud PF for us this year and that we'd be in the playoffs and we'd be signing him to a long-term contract for $5M+ AAV. That dream fell through in dramatic fashion. But at the time of the McDonagh trade it was still alive.

Instead what happened is that more than 1 team was offering a 1st for Jeannot. And Tampa's was a couple years off, which pushed theirs to the back of the line. So in order to win the bidding war, Tampa had to throw on extra picks. So that's how come we got the extra picks. To make up for the 1st being in 2025. Nothing whatsoever to do with the McDonagh deal.

 

[Fire Sweeney]

He could score 60 points next year and it would still be a massive overpayment that TB sent to NSH

 

[LeafChief]

Not sure how anyone can question anything Tampa's management team does when they have gone to each of the last 3 Stanley Cup Finals.

They are the gold standard.

 

[LTIR Trickery]

Not sure how anyone can question anything Tampa's management team does when they have gone to each of the last 3 Stanley Cup Finals.

They are the gold standard.

Naw you can still call this a dumbass trade, because it was

 

[stats1]

Yeah just because they’ve been to the Finals 3 years in a row doesn’t mean you automatically get a pass on a massive overpayment. It was a terrible trade before the ink was dry on the paperwork

It was a panic trade from an organization that usually makes smart calculated moves. You wouldn’t think a team with 3 Finals appearances in a row would get caught up in the frenzy from division rivals but they did and look what happened

 

[smytty]

I really don't think they overpaid that much. Draft picks are really over valued here.

According to

NHL Draft Pick Probabilities – DobberProspects

(They use 2000-2009 which should show a decent sample size)

1st round picks have a 74% chance of playing over 99 games in the NHL
2nd round picks have 34%
3rd round picks have 27%
4th round picks have 22%
5th round picks have 15%

What are the chances that any of those picks outside of the 1st have an NHL career better than some random free agent they could add on a cheap contract.

If the 1st round pick turns out as Jeannot and one of the other 4 picks becomes a regular NHL player then Nashville should be happy.

Adding the 3rd 4th and 5th is no worse than throwing in a 4th line player

 

[dire wolf]

I really don't think they overpaid that much. Draft picks are really over valued here.

According to

NHL Draft Pick Probabilities – DobberProspects

(They use 2000-2009 which should show a decent sample size)

1st round picks have a 74% chance of playing over 99 games in the NHL
2nd round picks have 34%
3rd round picks have 27%
4th round picks have 22%
5th round picks have 15%

What are the chances that any of those picks outside of the 1st have an NHL career better than some random free agent they could add on a cheap contract.

If the 1st round pick turns out as Jeannot and one of the other 4 picks becomes a regular NHL player then Nashville should be happy.

Adding the 3rd 4th and 5th is no worse than throwing in a 4th line player

Yes, but in a cap world, it's important to have a pipeline of prospects who can play on ELC contracts and fill out your AHL roster. You can't live only on free agents. Also, because of the randomness of draft picks once you get past the top of the draft, having large numbers of draft picks is an asset in and of itself.

 

[OG Eberle]

Why would there be any continuity between those two trades? The McDonagh dump worked well for Nashville since they got a great player back for nothing. Tampa didn’t owe Nashville anything in addition.

Jeannot could have been/could be a unique Tom Wilson style asset. Hasn’t worked out this year and he’s now hurt but that’s the reason why a premium was paid. Cause he can be a special power forward with 30+ goal ability. One thing I don’t like about him is he’s already 25 and the primes of power forwards is often unpredictable. If he was a rookie coming in at 20 or something last year and had the scoring season he had, this trade would have been a really good one for Tampa.

Probably the only narative that can be spun in order to make this trade palatable for TBL fans in the slightest I'm assuming.

It was a bad deal thus far. Doesn't look like it will improve but who knows. Think we gotta just accept it and move on to the next.

Can't win em all

 

[ClydeLee]

Seabrooks cap hit does not count against the cap for Tampa, it was effectively taking on multiple years of Tyler Johnson at 5 million per for just a second.

The favor was Tampa not minding to overpay for Hagel, though he's broken out this season at the time 2 firsts plus Raddysh looked like a big overpayment

Same dynamic here - take McDonagh with no cap dump going the other way (Tampa saw Myers as an asset otherwise they'd have bought him out and actually got a cap credit for him this year instead of resigning him), as a result be willing to throw in extra if another deal (Jeannot) materializes. Virtually no way they didn't broach the subject of Jeannot last summer

That deal was and is still better for Chicago than Tampa. They weren't even the same GMs of the Blackhawks making these 2 deals.

It has nothing to do with it. Tampa paid high because of the style and the great contract of Hagel. Also, Toronto was also taking about him which its known Chicago's GM leaked.

Stick to occams razor too, not excessively unconnected conclusions.

 

[milehigh11]

Yes, but in a cap world, it's important to have a pipeline of prospects who can play on ELC contracts and fill out your AHL roster. You can't live only on free agents. Also, because of the randomness of draft picks once you get past the top of the draft, having large numbers of draft picks is an asset in and of itself.

Exactly. Look at Colorado and their sucking at drafting the last 10 years. Yeah they got a Makar in there by luck as they lost the draft lottery. Byram was a lucky throw in on the trade, but everything else has pretty much stunk.

 

[Stephen]

I really don't think they overpaid that much. Draft picks are really over valued here.

According to

NHL Draft Pick Probabilities – DobberProspects

(They use 2000-2009 which should show a decent sample size)

1st round picks have a 74% chance of playing over 99 games in the NHL
2nd round picks have 34%
3rd round picks have 27%
4th round picks have 22%
5th round picks have 15%

What are the chances that any of those picks outside of the 1st have an NHL career better than some random free agent they could add on a cheap contract.

If the 1st round pick turns out as Jeannot and one of the other 4 picks becomes a regular NHL player then Nashville should be happy.

Adding the 3rd 4th and 5th is no worse than throwing in a 4th line player

You're right in terms of historic percentages, but this is also the front office that unearthed Kucherov, Point and Cirelli with 2nd, 3rd and 4th round picks in recent memory so there is a risk that they took some bullets out of the chamber to do something special. But Tampa pulled the trigger on the deal willing to accept it, so there it is.

 

[Dr Beinfest]

I really don't think they overpaid that much. Draft picks are really over valued here.

According to

NHL Draft Pick Probabilities – DobberProspects

(They use 2000-2009 which should show a decent sample size)

1st round picks have a 74% chance of playing over 99 games in the NHL
2nd round picks have 34%
3rd round picks have 27%
4th round picks have 22%
5th round picks have 15%

What are the chances that any of those picks outside of the 1st have an NHL career better than some random free agent they could add on a cheap contract.

If the 1st round pick turns out as Jeannot and one of the other 4 picks becomes a regular NHL player then Nashville should be happy.

Adding the 3rd 4th and 5th is no worse than throwing in a 4th line player

I’m sorry but “odds” are bullshit. You don’t pick a player at random. It’s not “chance.”

Starting from Stamkos and going +10 years (2008-2017), the following have played over 99 games:
91% of 1st round picks (all but one)
46% of 2nd round picks
33% of 3rd round picks
44% of 4th round picks
13% of 5th round picks
23% of 6th round picks
8% of 7th round picks (honorable mention, 2 came very close, and this group has 212 games across 4 players when not considering Palat’s career)

60% of Tampa picks over this time have played in the NHL.


What’s more is, when factoring in covid games lost, some of those guys from 2017 may have only seen ~150-200 NHL games played since they went pro. So these numbers will probably go up. Two of the guys over the ten years are journeymen goalies who appear to be on track for 100 career games at least.

What’s even more is that Tampa fields the following 3rd/4th/5th round picks of theirs on their active roster:
Nick Perbix
Ross Colton
Anthony Cirelli
Brayden Point
Alex Killorn

And Kucherov really wasn’t far off from being added to that list.

They overpaid. They overpaid at a 1st + Foote, and the picks you declare as throw ins didn’t even need to be added for that to be true. Tampa probably still knows what they’re doing, and overpaying is part of their script to get their icing on the cake. But it’s still overpaying.

 

[Flyer lurker]

Its an overpayment and there isn;t a reasonable discussion to say its not an overpayment. Now what TBL does is they trade pick compensation for players with multiple years left on the contract and it usually has worked out great for them
Coleman trade a/a+
Hagel a+
Goodrow B/B+
Ryan Mc/JT Miller a++++++

This feels like the first trade where giving up 1 Foote plus might not work out. Its still early. 4 out 5 sure ain't bad for trading 1's.

 

[Curufinwe]

Jeannot's 40 point season might have been a flash in the pan.

 

[LTIR Trickery]

Yeah just because they’ve been to the Finals 3 years in a row doesn’t mean you automatically get a pass on a massive overpayment. It was a terrible trade before the ink was dry on the paperwork

It was a panic trade from an organization that usually makes smart calculated moves. You wouldn’t think a team with 3 Finals appearances in a row would get caught up in the frenzy from division rivals but they did and look what happened

I don't think it was a panic move, but rather they really, really like him for some reason. I've also heard that it wasn't the first (or second) attempt at acquiring him.

 

[sr edler]

Jeannot's 40 point season might have been a flash in the pan.

I don't think Tampa traded for this guy for him to put up 10 goals in the post-season, they traded for him predominantly to bully the Leafs in the 1st round (and the Bruins in the 2nd round) and for his face-punching skills.

 

[klmdg]

Horrendous f***ing trade lol

 

[Panthaz89]

I don't think Tampa traded for this guy for him to put up 10 goals in the post-season, they traded for him predominantly to bully the Leafs in the 1st round (and the Bruins in the 2nd round) and for his face-punching skills.

He can't even bully Schenn.

 

[sr edler]

He can't even bully Schenn.

Well, he tried. And that's still why they got him.

 

[ijuka]

Well, he tried. And that's still why they got him.

Paid a first, second, third, fourth, fifth, and an NHL defenseman just for someone who tries?

 

[sr edler]

Paid a first, second, third, fourth, fifth, and an NHL defenseman just for someone who tries?

I haven't defended the acquisition price, just saying a big part of why Tampa got him is because of his face-punching skills and perceived bullying skills. They probably also expect him to score some goals, but I don't think they got this guy expecting him to go Pisani on everyone.