Confirmed Trade: [TBL/NSH] Tanner Jeannot for Cal Foote, c. 2025 1st round pick, 2024 2nd round pick, 2023 3rd, 4th, and 5th round picks

[The GM]

Paid a first, second, third, fourth, fifth, and an NHL defenseman just for someone who tries?

He tries hard

 

[Drury_Sakic]

Most contenders draft picks end up being nothing burgers.

It’s part of the reason why Avs fans are annoyed that more was not done this deadline.

Imagine the Avs roster with O’Reilly, Domi, and JVR as depth.

The Avs got out bid, seemingly because they did not want to completely empty the inventory, and maybe that’s fair — but the West is/was wide open and even without Nuke and Lando, you add those three players to the Avs roster and they are the top contender out west - as it addresses the biggest of secondary scoring and puts other players in their proper roles.

If you have the core, you go all in until your core is done. Every year. Especially when your core is playing well.

And frankly, whatever draft picks you use, you draft with trading those assets in mind as equally as you look at playing them.

 

[Ovi895]

He's also not wrong about the fact after the end of the 1st round,
it's a lottery with hitting on quality players.

Here's 2 lists of players Tampa drafted/signed undrafted under Yzerman. One of these is of lucky lottery wins so rare they are not worth minding, the other, one of these is from diligent 1st round scouting including multiple top 10 picks. Wonder if its possible to tell which is which. Not going through JBB's draft picks because I have yet to see evidence that there was one that didn't get shoehorned into a 4th liner with term at the deadline

Kucherov, Palat, Johnson, Point, Marchessault, Cirelli, Gourde, Verhaeghe, Gudas, Colton, Perbix

Connolly, Namestnikov, Koekkoek, Vasilevsky, Drouin, DeAngelo, Howden, Cal Foote, Nolan Foote

2 has to be the lottery, right, Vasilevsky being the sole win from a mountain of crap vs enough core and strong supporting players to anchor 3 teams

 

[banks]

This Jeannot trade might be an all-time worst trade. Abysmal price to pay for a nothing forward.

 

[HuGo Sham]

Here's 2 lists of players Tampa drafted/signed undrafted under Yzerman. One of these is of lucky lottery wins so rare they are not worth minding, the other, one of these is from diligent 1st round scouting including multiple top 10 picks. Wonder if its possible to tell which is which. Not going through JBB's draft picks because I have yet to see evidence that there was one that didn't get shoehorned into a 4th liner with term at the deadline

Kucherov, Palat, Johnson, Point, Marchessault, Cirelli, Gourde, Verhaeghe, Gudas, Colton, Perbix

Connolly, Namestnikov, Koekkoek, Vasilevsky, Drouin, DeAngelo, Howden, Cal Foote, Nolan Foote

2 has to be the lottery, right, Vasilevsky being the sole win from a mountain of crap vs enough core and strong supporting players to anchor 3 teams

I don't disagree with you that JBB is still benefiting from Yzerman's decisions - I was just providing the context for his thinking.
He's made some good depth trades - Paul comes to mind, and Hagel was a good move.
But they will somehow need to hit on a pick or two soon - or the window will close sooner than later

 

[Ovi895]

I don't disagree with you that JBB is still benefiting from Yzerman's decisions - I was just providing the context for his thinking.
He's made some good depth trades - Paul comes to mind, and Hagel was a good move.
But they will somehow need to hit on a pick or two soon - or the window will close sooner than later

Ironically Paul cost the least of all his acquisitions.

Hagel looks good breaking out the way he did but JBB let a better Verhaeghe walk to an even cheaper deal with Florida just a year before and then paid 2 firsts and Raddysh (himself looking like he's becoming a Hagel like player) for the replacement.

JBB got the last 10% Tampa needed - dependable cheap grit to have on the roster at the same time when Kucherov, Point, Palat, Hedman, Vasi were all peaking - but paid a one of a kind premium for far from one of a kind players. The biggest difference between a Barclay Goodrow and a Garnet Hathaway was that one of them played for Tampa in 20-21 and one didn't

 

[HuGo Sham]

Ironically Paul cost the least of all his acquisitions.

Hagel looks good breaking out the way he did but JBB let a better Verhaeghe walk to an even cheaper deal with Florida just a year before and then paid 2 firsts and Raddysh (himself looking like he's becoming a Hagel like player) for the replacement.

JBB got the last 10% Tampa needed - dependable cheap grit to have on the roster at the same time when Kucherov, Point, Palat, Hedman, Vasi were all peaking - but paid a one of a kind premium for far from one of a kind players. The biggest difference between a Barclay Goodrow and a Garnet Hathaway was that one of them played for Tampa in 20-21 and one didn't

great points. I Agree

 

[2020 Cup Champions]

Does that automatically make all those moves good? Does that mean there is automatically one out of 32 teams every year all of whose moves are beyond reproach?

[/QUOTE]
Strawman

What if they traded 10 first round picks for Blake Coleman? Still doesn't matter because results? Or 10 first rounders for Brandon Hagel, after all he's part of that group even if he didn't win any cups for them

Fallacious reductio ad absurdum

10 first round picks weren't even included in the post I replied to. The Lightning did not trade 20 1st round picks for 2 Cups in 3 Finals appearances (*Covid Cups as you claimed)

They let Carter Verhaeghe walk for nothing despite having the option to retain him cheaply in 2020 when they'd have traded 3 first rounders for him later that year if he was available at a mil for 2 years

Seeing CV thrive elsewhere is no one's favorite topic, but winning cures a lot.

Your arguments are dripping in bias and made in bad faith.

 

[RoadWarrior]

Worst-trade-ever

 

[Panthaz89]

It gives them some leeway to make a move like this and not get blasted for it loli

I still trust the gm that won 2 cups and a finals losing a trade vs a random poster calling it bad

Pretty much any GM can add depth pieces of an already built team that got their essential pieces added and trickled in from the previous GM. Also people are free to call a duck a duck and a bad trade a bad trade. Could have used those picks to dump cap space or you know get an actual useful player.