Prospect Info: Swedish Prospects 2021-22 Season Pt. 2

[golffuul]

I can appreciate what they're trying to do but the system seems kind of flawed.

Yeah...without a methodological overview, it definitely feels a bit sketchy. But advanced stats do be like that.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Yeah...without a methodological overview, it definitely feels a bit sketchy. But advanced stats do be like that.

Well also what formula would say that Evan Bouchard and Zegras have higher star probabilities than Seider?




If your model has Evan Bouchard's comparables as all speedy puck rushing guys, some of which are hall of famers, but Seider's comparables are fair to middling #2/#3 defensemen, then maybe your model is not that good.

 

[golffuul]

Well also what formula would say that Evan Bouchard and Zegras have higher star probabilities than Seider?




If your model has Evan Bouchard's comparables as all speedy puck rushing guys, some of which are hall of famers, but Seider's comparables are fair to middling #2/#3 defensemen, then maybe your model is not that good.

Yeah...the reliability factor is a bit low, based on that.

 

[jaster]

It does seem to be a weird model with some aspects that undermine its credibility, but if you read the fine print under the comps, it provides some relevant context that makes it at least a little less weird.

 

[Pavels Dog]

Well also what formula would say that Evan Bouchard and Zegras have higher star probabilities than Seider?

That's because NHLe only looks at production. It's a pretty awful tool for rating d-men. I mean it's not great for rating forwards either but at least a forward's main job is to produce.

 

[SCD]

I think the 78% star probability for Seider is hilarious by it's self. Once it is compared to Bouchard's 95% star probability, it no longer becomes readable.

 

[FabricDetails]

Who are some examples of Swedish prospects in other organizations on the cusp of graduating to the NHL, maybe with 1 or 2 years already in the AHL?

 

[WF19]

Who are some examples of Swedish prospects in other organizations on the cusp of graduating to the NHL, maybe with 1 or 2 years already in the AHL?

Eklund is one

My bad not the AHL

 

[golffuul]

Who are some examples of Swedish prospects in other organizations on the cusp of graduating to the NHL, maybe with 1 or 2 years already in the AHL?

David Gustafsson with Winnipeg

Symon Ryfors with Tampa

Technically Broberg with Edmonton...though it's not clear what's going on with him and whether he is "on the cusp."

Oskar Back with Dallas

Those are the ones that I could come up with near the top of my head.

You could probably just look up Cap Friendly and see the list of Swedish signed prospects who are in the "minors" and make a fairly educated guess as to how close they are by their age (20-24), production (15+ goals and 40+ points for forwards) and how many years removed they are from the SHL (1-2 years...any more and they probably aren't "on the cusp")

 

[Pavels Dog]

Who are some examples of Swedish prospects in other organizations on the cusp of graduating to the NHL, maybe with 1 or 2 years already in the AHL?

Holtz & Zetterlund
Samuel Fagemo
Simon Holmström

 

[Seiza]

Who are some examples of Swedish prospects in other organizations on the cusp of graduating to the NHL, maybe with 1 or 2 years already in the AHL?

Steen and Blidh in Boston as well.

 

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[WF19]

we got Seider so everyone is sleeping on Ed. Can't wait until he is in Calder talks too

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

The dude looks like he just woke up from a 3 day bender.

 

[Run the Jewels]

Hakan Andersson rebuilding our blueline.

 

[jkutswings]

Hakan Andersson rebuilding our blueline.

Revolutionizing. If Edvinsson even becomes a good 3/4, and EITHER Johansson OR Wallinder turn into solid NHLers, that (with Seider) is a major change from the, "DDK and Other Guys Slotted Above Their Talent Level" era.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Revolutionizing. If Edvinsson even becomes a good 3/4, and EITHER Johansson OR Wallinder turn into solid NHLers, that (with Seider) is a major change from the, "DDK and Other Guys Slotted Above Their Talent Level" era.

Edvinsson seems like he can’t be worse than a legit minute munching #2. PP2, PK1, 22+ minutes a night, 30+ points a season. That’s incredibly valuable and this team hasn’t had that in a decade.

 

[TCNorthstars]

Edvinsson seems like he can’t be worse than a legit minute munching #2. PP2, PK1, 22+ minutes a night, 30+ points a season. That’s incredibly valuable and this team hasn’t had that in a decade.

I can dig the optimism, but

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

I can dig the optimism, but

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Yeah, no. People said the same thing to me here when I was bullish on Seider. And that worked out pretty well.

I've watched a lot of Edvinsson in the SHL. He's realgud n'tuff. Have some faith in this kid. The offense may take longer than Seider's to come along but his defensive game THIS YEAR was NHL worthy.

 

[TCNorthstars]

Yeah, no. People said the same thing to me here when I was bullish on Seider. And that worked out pretty well.

I've watched a lot of Edvinsson in the SHL. He's realgud n'tuff. Have some faith in this kid. The offense may take longer than Seider's to come along but his defensive game THIS YEAR was NHL worthy.

I have faith in him. I just take issue with the can't be worse than #2 comment for a guy who has never played in the NHL before. I really hope he becomes that though!

 

[golffuul]

Yeah, no. People said the same thing to me here when I was bullish on Seider. And that worked out pretty well.

I've watched a lot of Edvinsson in the SHL. He's realgud n'tuff. Have some faith in this kid. The offense may take longer than Seider's to come along but his defensive game THIS YEAR was NHL worthy.

Remember when people were panning us for saying Seider was easily better than Hronek?

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Remember when people were panning us for saying Seider was easily better than Hronek?

My theory is that Wings fans on HFBoards have been watching shit hockey players for so long that they have forgotten what a realgud hockey player looks like.

 

[golffuul]

My theory is that Wings fans on HFBoards have been watching shit hockey players for so long that they have forgotten what a realgud hockey player looks like.

Imagine what a good coach would look like?