TV: Survivor: Heroes vs Healers vs Hustlers Discussion

[Tuggy]

Lauren is a horrible player. She handled tonight miserably.

 

[Prairie Habs]

How horrible was Mike's decision to throw Lauren's idol into the fire and then vote with her? He could have just discretely disposed of it at camp or refused to give it back. Throwing away the trust of someone you want to work with just makes no sense on any level.

Also, why would Mike/Chrissy/Ryan vote out Ben? That would leave Lauren/Ashley/Dev firmly together and with an extra vote for the next tribal. If they got rid of Lauren AND her extra vote there would be very little chance Ben would go back to Ashley/Dev, and the three of them could have run the game from there on out.

 

[The Drop]

Chrissy ugh.. gets more and more unlikeable. As long as her or Ryan don’t win I’m good.

 

[LeafalCrusader]

So many WTF's that tribal. Lauren giving Mike half her idol? The other three members of the 4 person alliance going after Ben now instead of breaking up the other alliance of 3. I also don't get why Chrissy Mike and Ryan would vote out Ben. He goes and Lauren plays her advantage and they lose the next vote 4-3. Did they actually believe she wouldn't use it going forward lol. Seems pretty straight forward to me. Now if they were smart (they aren't) they'd break up Ashley/Devon next vote, vote out Ben the next vote and Ashely/Devon the final vote.

Chrissy Ryan Mike worst final 3 ever?

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

What a weird challenge. All about luck.

That had to be one of the dumber challenges. For starters, it was one that was perfect to be "rigged". Not saying it was, but it could have been simply by making sure the person the producers wanted to win had a bag full of the same color balls.

If they were going to involve the loved ones, they should have done some sort of quiz to see how well the loved ones know them. "True or false: Mike is pretending to be a porn star" and his wife then has to guess the right answer based on how much she knows of his personality.

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As for the vote, Lauren basically made two cardinal mistakes of Survivor. One, don't put your immunity idol in someone else's hands like that. And two, don't leave your advantage back at camp when you already know someone (Ben) has betrayed you and you might end up needing that advantage at the vote.

 

[Canada4Gold]

I would assume they would have let all the contestants and families check their bag first to make sure all bags had 1 white and 1 black marble. That would be incredibly risky to do that and hope none of the rigged contestants takes a peak inside their bag before the challenge or after it was over. They're usually pretty transparent in explaining the challenges and getting players to review what they have to do. They may have even had a practice draw to show them exactly what to do so nobody cheats as dumb as that sounds.

I have no idea what the hell the strategy was this episode though, there was so much stupidity and as much as Ben played keeping the idol secret well, and may have been screwed anyway if his alliance decided to come after him, he sort of screwed himself into having everyone against him. Lauren was dumb, Mike was dumb, the trio on the outside was dumb, it was all so dumb it was intriguing.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

So many WTF's that tribal. Lauren giving Mike half her idol? The other three members of the 4 person alliance going after Ben now instead of breaking up the other alliance of 3. I also don't get why Chrissy Mike and Ryan would vote out Ben. He goes and Lauren plays her advantage and they lose the next vote 4-3. Did they actually believe she wouldn't use it going forward lol. Seems pretty straight forward to me. Now if they were smart (they aren't) they'd break up Ashley/Devon next vote, vote out Ben the next vote and Ashely/Devon the final vote.

Chrissy Ryan Mike worst final 3 ever?

Literally not even close to the top 5 worst.

Chrissy has played a fantastic game whether you like her or not(easily the best of who is left). Ryan is funny so I want him to keep going. Mike is pretty terrible though.

 

[LeafalCrusader]

Literally not even close to the top 5 worst.

Chrissy has played a fantastic game whether you like her or not(easily the best of who is left). Ryan is funny so I want him to keep going. Mike is pretty terrible though.

Chrissy would probably be the best of the 3 but her social game's so bad wouldn't surprise me to see the jury go and give the vote to Mike just as a FU lol. I wouldn't say she's played a fantastic game either. She treats people outside of her alliance like crap and for such a strategic player she sure made a very dumb and emotional decision last tribal voting out Ben instead of Lauren. Ben goes she goes next vote 4-3. If she does win she should thank Ben for playing his idol and saving her butt.

 

[Disclose]

didnt Devon knew about Ben having an idol?
not the fake one, the real one. i might be confused, but they should have blind sided the guy instead of going straight at him at the tribal. weird decisions, fun episode.

 

[Olvast]

Yeah so did I. I think Devon will win now.

Devon and Mike are the ones to beat at the moment. If they’re both gone before finals, it’ll be a crapshoot. I’ll give Ashley and Ryan a slight edge over Chrissy and Mike, but it’s easily turnable.

 

[Peasy]

didnt Devon knew about Ben having an idol?
not the fake one, the real one. i might be confused, but they should have blind sided the guy instead of going straight at him at the tribal. weird decisions, fun episode.

He didn't tell anyone. Ben knew they were targeting him so there wasn't much to hide. I would have loved to see them pull a quick one and vote Chrissy.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

Devon and Mike are the ones to beat at the moment. If they’re both gone before finals, it’ll be a crapshoot. I’ll give Ashley and Ryan a slight edge over Chrissy and Mike, but it’s easily turnable.

I've found that there's no real "mastermind" this season, like you see on past seasons. Every one of the favorites has made a dumb mistake at some point, or has a serious flaw in their game (ie. Chrissy with her social game).

Devon's played a pretty safe game, but I'm not sure which moves or strategies he's been the driving force behind that have actually worked.

 

[Chairman Maouth]

What an absolutely insane tribal council.

 

[Canada4Gold]

I've found that there's no real "mastermind" this season, like you see on past seasons. Every one of the favorites has made a dumb mistake at some point, or has a serious flaw in their game (ie. Chrissy with her social game).

Devon's played a pretty safe game, but I'm not sure which moves or strategies he's been the driving force behind that have actually worked.

The entire Ben be a secret agent thing was Devon's idea(Ben had some quality acting though). IIRC he also came up with the "bring Mike and Joe in" on the final 8 vote as to make sure they didn't go with Chrissy and Ryan just to dictate their votes off somewhere so their 4 votes decided what happened despite not being a majority. He's probably been the most strategic of that 4 before they split up.

I think he's played the best game to this point, really likeable, laid fairly low early, made himself seem like just an athletic type without much strategy(though from the viewers perspective this is largely determined by the edit). Had a solid first half game ally in Ryan who he let be the strategic forefront. Then post merge has played pretty well strategically, got the alliance of 4, and manipulated it pretty well strategically(the Ben thing, and the fake bringing in Joe and Mike thing) to get to 7 despite not being in the majority before. He's only really made 3 mistakes as far as I can see. Not realizing that there would be an idol clue at that reward where he went first, he could have had that idol easy by finding and getting rid of the clue. I think he may have dumped Ryan a little too hastily, but again that could be an edit thing and it worked out pretty well for him for a couple votes anyway. And then having Ben catch them talking about getting rid of Ben, but that was a group mistake. They needed to make Ben feel more comfortable. Who knows where those mistakes gets him. He really only has Ashley right now and you got to think he's a big target. If he can mend the fences with Chrissy and Ryan he may be golden.

 

[Olvast]

I've found that there's no real "mastermind" this season, like you see on past seasons. Every one of the favorites has made a dumb mistake at some point, or has a serious flaw in their game (ie. Chrissy with her social game).

Devon's played a pretty safe game, but I'm not sure which moves or strategies he's been the driving force behind that have actually worked.

You kind of answered your own question there. Devon hasn't been the typical mastermind, pulling every string behind the scenes - but then again, no-one in particular has been brilliant strategically this season. Devon has a couple of subtle moves under his belt, and that might just be enough - combined with his solid social game. Ben probably would have an upper hand against him in a final, but then again Ben has an uphill battle getting there in the first place, whereas Devon has a pretty good shot.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

The problem with Devon's moves are, would the jury see them the same way the audience is able to? Sure, we got the snippet where he suggested Ben play spy with Chrissy and Ryan, but the players themselves seem to be referring to that entire thing as "Ben giving an academy award performance". Unless Devon specifically tells them that was his idea, they're going to credit that to Ben. And even if he does tell them that in his finals speech, Ben can just say "no, we both came up with it and I was the one who pulled it off".

I think it can be a double-edged sword when you come across as the "leader" of an alliance. On one hand, you get a lot of credit for the moves the alliance makes (maybe more than you deserve). But on the other hand, you also put a target on your back if you're not careful about it. IMO, Devon's problem is he doesn't seem to be the leader of the alliance, so any moves he or his alliance makes, the jury might not actually credit him for them.

Best way for Devon to win might actually be to somehow get to the final 3, but have his alliance members get picked off and not get there with him. That way he's got their votes, plus he can convince the rest of the jury that he deserves credit for his alliance's moves without the jury trying to give half-credit to any one of the rest.

 

[Daisy Jane]

Devon's my top contender too (I hope he wins).
I think Ben's the second most likely and I think there's a slight possibility of Mike falling ass backwards into a win.

I'd be surprised if Chrissy, Ryan or Ashley won, but I could be wrong. This is the most unsure I've been about a winner in a while.

Unless Chrissy gives the tribal performance of her life - like literally - I'm not sure she can win. but again i think it depends on who she is with. If she's with Mike and say Ben (ironically enough), - she could articulate a good game. (Mike is stupidly dumb, and while she may have played aggressively, Ben is paranoid, took things personally, etc). that could be a risk though. Ryan could also be a good partner for Chrissy at this point (but I think Ryan is a vote for her. and Chrissy for him). as the Healers do not like Chrissy.

Lauren was a dumby with that whole move. though i have to say as I am still not over Cirie's idol-out last season i'm glad Lauren didn't go HAH! idol!

People on this show need to learn to keep their damned mouth shut.
(also i so hate loved one visits).

 

[MAHJ71]

Have a weird gut feeling Chrissy makes it to the end and wins.. but the way the jury has voted the past several seasons I can also see her losing out of spite.

The funny thing about Chrissy is she gets all upset when people go against her and immediately plays it as the other person is "in-human" or "unfriendly" just because they did something she didn't want and may have not told her they were going to do it. Reminds me of a child.

 

[MAHJ71]

Lauren is a horrible player. She handled tonight miserably.

From the talking points she had it seemed she thought she had it all figured out and got a little too relaxed.

Ten when she found out what Ben was doing she panicked and that moment of panic is what lead to some poor decisions.

Ben playing the idol and saving himself was truly hilarious to me and a wonderful play.... it'll be interesting to see just how much further he can make it after basically losing EVERYONES trust.

 

[Daisy Jane]

From the talking points she had it seemed she thought she had it all figured out and got a little too relaxed.

Ten when she found out what Ben was doing she panicked and that moment of panic is what lead to some poor decisions.

Ben playing the idol and saving himself was truly hilarious to me and a wonderful play.... it'll be interesting to see just how much further he can make it after basically losing EVERYONES trust.

well the last person who did that, won the game (Mike, season 30)

i'm actualy excited that i can watch the episode live today

 

[SensBrawler]

They're basically spelling out that Ben's not going home tonight.

 

[Daisy Jane]

They're basically spelling out that Ben's not going home tonight.

yah. thanks, show.

 

[Daisy Jane]

also. it will make me so happy when the show announces that it's ONE idol, for the entire show. lordy how much i hate the hidden immunity idol (yes i'm still bitter about what happened to Cirie)

 

[Canada4Gold]

surprised Ashley isn't trying to tank this competition thinking if Ben goes on the reward he may get a chance at an idol clue if there's one there/nourishment for the immunity challenge. If she wanted him out that bad she probably would.

 

[Daisy Jane]

if Ashley was smart she'd hold up Ben in this challenge.