Sens Arena in Lebreton Flats

[Dr.Sens(e)]

People that don't want development in the core don't seem to understand if we keep building like crazy in places like Barrheaven/Kanata traffic is going to be 100 times worse in the next 10-15 years.

Market demand drives development, not a handful of people. Developers want to make money, and to make money they need to build things people want to buy.

And there is no doubt that the core is where more future growth will be. The baby boomers are just nearing retirement, and the next 20 years will see the exodus from the work force the largest demographic group in economic history.

And that group doesn't want to live in a big home in the suburbs anymore.

Meanwhile, the youngest group of home buyers is also less inclined to move to the burbs, at least pre-kids (which for most, is into their 30's now).

That's why condo development and major projects like Zibi are taking off. Not only do young people want to live near the core and avoid a lengthy commute, but the retirees also want to be there. Some families will always make there way to the suburbs because of the pure economics of it, but I wouldn't want to by trying to sell a 3,000 sqft home in barrhaven in 15 years.

 

[Tnouc Alucard]

I also think public transit in Ottawa from suburbs to downtown is rather good.


The fact is in Ottawa we have over 80% car ownership and the only useful commute by bus if you own a car that public transit makes better is suburb to Tunney's and right downtown. No where else.

Thinking that suburbanites that never bus will want to do it to go to Lebretton for an arena there is wrong headed. A few will... Most will not. Lebretton has that against it.



People like cars. At least Kanata is on the Queensway. More people will definitely use transit to get to the arena at Lebretton. Now maybe 8-12 % use transit to get to CTC. That is optimistic numbers. There will never be more then 25-30% taking transit to lebretton. Being downtownish you could see lots of people parking in public parking and walking 2 km to the game. Lebretton could work but it is not like it would ever be like Montreal or Toronto. It can't be.

A number of things seem to contradict themselves.

You acknowledged that OC Transpo currently services Tunneys Pasture and Downtown well, and the majority of people do use OC T to commute to work in these areas, despite your assertion that 80% of Ottawans own cars.

So why would these same people NOT use OC T to get to and from an Arena located in between TP & DT?


There will NOT be the parking available at a New Location, that there currently is at the CTC, and people will use the LRT and OC T to get to and from an Arena at Lebreton.


How much parking do you believe is at MSG? The population will adapt and the LeBretton location will work fine without people who love to drive their cars, but are fine with OC T to get to and from work in the exact same area you claim is serviced well today, and will improve with LRT.

 

[Sens Rule]

Market demand drives development, not a handful of people. Developers want to make money, and to make money they need to build things people want to buy.

And there is no doubt that the core is where more future growth will be. The baby boomers are just nearing retirement, and the next 20 years will see the exodus from the work force the largest demographic group in economic history.

And that group doesn't want to live in a big home in the suburbs anymore.

Meanwhile, the youngest group of home buyers is also less inclined to move to the burbs, at least pre-kids (which for most, is into their 30's now).

That's why condo development and major projects like Zibi are taking off. Not only do young people want to live near the core and avoid a lengthy commute, but the retirees also want to be there. Some families will always make there way to the suburbs because of the pure economics of it, but I wouldn't want to by trying to sell a 3,000 sqft home in barrhaven in 15 years.

Have you seenStittsville? It used to be maybe 8000 people 25 years ago. It will soon be 40-50-60000.
It might already be.

Ottawa is probably close to the the most spread out urban area in the world for it's population and every year it creeps more and more. While a huge percentage of the inner and outer core is not even developed at all.

What we need is development inside the suburbs and city. Between Barrhaven, Orleans and Kanata and the city. Instead we let Barrhaven creep into Manotick. Makes no sense whatsoever really. But developers own land they bought cheap decades ago and the march goes on.

 

[Sens Rule]

A number of things seem to contradict themselves.

You acknowledged that OC Transpo currently services Tunneys Pasture and Downtown well, and the majority of people do use OC T to commute to work in these areas, despite your assertion that 80% of Ottawans own cars.

So why would these same people NOT use OC T to get to and from an Arena located in between TP & DT?


There will NOT be the parking available at a New Location, that there currently is at the CTC, and people will use the LRT and OC T to get to and from an Arena at Lebreton.


How much parking do you believe is at MSG? The population will adapt and the LeBretton location will work fine without people who love to drive their cars, but are fine with OC T to get to and from work in the exact same area you claim is serviced well today, and will improve with LRT.

Probably 95% of Sens season ticket holders own cars. While even uber-rich people in Manhattan choose not to drive their own cars.

Comparing Manhattan and Lebretton is ridiculous. No one is just walking by Lebretton.

You better have actual heated train stations and not standing around inside frozen glass like the transitway is now for people to drive from the suburbs to Bayshore or Lincoln Fields or Baseline Station and then commute with their kids by train in such a way. I said you might get 30% of fans do it versus less then 5% now.

 

[Ohhh Franco]

Melnyk sure has been quiet the last four months or so. Is it because of this? Doesn't want to muck it up or piss off the NCC with an crazy comments?

 

[SanderSen]

Melnyk sure has been quiet the last four months or so. Is it because of this? Doesn't want to muck it up or piss of the NCC with an crazy comments?

Holding his breath to not mess with the team Karma.

 

[pepty]

There was a picture of him at the last Sens game and he didn't look well.
He didnt talk to reporters which is unusual.

 

[Sens Rule]

There was a picture of him at the last Sens game and he didn't look well.
He didnt talk to reporters which is unusual.

Does Melnyk have kids?

 

[BonkTastic]

Comparing Manhattan and Lebretton is ridiculous.

Holy jesus, this.


I mean... has Tnouc ever even spent time in Manhattan? It makes Lebreton Flats look like an industrial waste field (which, I suppose, it technically was for a while).

 

[BonkTastic]

Does Melnyk have kids?

According to wikipedia, he has two of them.

 

[Sens Rule]

According to wikipedia, he has two of them.

Wonder if they will ever own the Senators?

 

[jason2020]

Have you seenStittsville? It used to be maybe 8000 people 25 years ago. It will soon be 40-50-60000.
It might already be.

Ottawa is probably close to the the most spread out urban area in the world for it's population and every year it creeps more and more. While a huge percentage of the inner and outer core is not even developed at all.

What we need is development inside the suburbs and city. Between Barrhaven, Orleans and Kanata and the city. Instead we let Barrhaven creep into Manotick. Makes no sense whatsoever really. But developers own land they bought cheap decades ago and the march goes on.

The projected population of Stittsville is 70,000 with in the next 15 years but the scary thing is both Richmond and Carp are booming as well.

 

[FuriousSenator]

Have you seenStittsville? It used to be maybe 8000 people 25 years ago. It will soon be 40-50-60000.
It might already be.

Ottawa is probably close to the the most spread out urban area in the world for it's population and every year it creeps more and more. While a huge percentage of the inner and outer core is not even developed at all.

What we need is development inside the suburbs and city. Between Barrhaven, Orleans and Kanata and the city. Instead we let Barrhaven creep into Manotick. Makes no sense whatsoever really. But developers own land they bought cheap decades ago and the march goes on.

I agree with this. Suburbs are such a cancer for sustainable cities.

 

[Ohhh Franco]

"New Improvements Coming Soon to LeBreton Flats"

http://www.ncc-ccn.gc.ca/capital-pl...ws/2015-04-22/new-improvements-coming-soon-to

NCC's Kristmanson says the Lebreton Flats project is a year ahead of schedule.

 

[Tnouc Alucard]

Probably 95% of Sens season ticket holders own cars. While even uber-rich people in Manhattan choose not to drive their own cars.

Comparing Manhattan and Lebretton is ridiculous. No one is just walking by Lebretton.

You better have actual heated train stations and not standing around inside frozen glass like the transitway is now for people to drive from the suburbs to Bayshore or Lincoln Fields or Baseline Station and then commute with their kids by train in such a way. I said you might get 30% of fans do it versus less then 5% now.

There are many people, including season ticket holders who will leave their cars at home, of leave them at a park and ride FOR FREE, and take public transit to a re-located Arena in Lebretton. Just like the re-furbished CFL stadium at Landsdowne, people are packing the place and using public transit to get there.

Do you expect season ticket holder not to re-new just because they will not be able to drive their cars?? Well for everyone of those who do, there will many more to take their place.


200,000 people use OC Transpo to commute to and from work in Ottawa, and they seem to be able to survive without " heated train stations".

Just how warm are their cars in the parking lot after sitting there for the entire game, compared to a warm train arriving within minutes?

 

[Upgrayedd]

There are many people, including season ticket holders who will leave their cars at home, of leave them at a park and ride FOR FREE, and take public transit to a re-located Arena in Lebretton. Just like the re-furbished CFL stadium at Landsdowne, people are packing the place and using public transit to get there.

Do you expect season ticket holder not to re-new just because they will not be able to drive their cars?? Well for everyone of those who do, there will many more to take their place.


200,000 people use OC Transpo to commute to and from work in Ottawa, and they seem to be able to survive without " heated train stations".

Just how warm are their cars in the parking lot after sitting there for the entire game, compared to a warm train arriving within minutes?

9 out of 10 times i park at the sensplex and walk because i don't care to sit in the lot for 30 mins post game and deal with the headaches...this goes for anytime of the year. I would certainly take public transit if it were re-worked a bit to the current building, however i find the whole OCT process as it is...rushed and with little flexibility. When they move it dtown i can't imagine getting there any other way and i look forward to it!

 

[savoysuit]

Hopefully there's no new sports arena... the city needs to move the focus away from the overwhelming emphasis on sports.

How about something cultural? We must be one of the only capital cities in the western world without a contemporary art museum. How about something to do with nature? Something for the mind. Not sports.

 

[saskriders]

Hopefully there's no new sports arena... the city needs to move the focus away from the overwhelming emphasis on sports.

How about something cultural? We must be one of the only capital cities in the western world without a contemporary art museum. How about something to do with nature? Something for the mind. Not sports.

Sports is cultural

 

[dpw]

Hopefully there's no new sports arena... the city needs to move the focus away from the overwhelming emphasis on sports.

How about something cultural? We must be one of the only capital cities in the western world without a contemporary art museum. How about something to do with nature? Something for the mind. Not sports.

This is why Ottawa is called the city that fun forgot.

 

[Buck Aki Berg]

How about something cultural?

Like this?

We must be one of the only capital cities in the western world without a contemporary art museum.

Like this?

How about something to do with nature?

Like this?

Something for the mind.

Like this?

 

[BankStreetParade]

Hopefully there's no new sports arena... the city needs to move the focus away from the overwhelming emphasis on sports.

How about something cultural? We must be one of the only capital cities in the western world without a contemporary art museum. How about something to do with nature? Something for the mind. Not sports.

I'm not sure if you're being serious.

A contemporary art museum? You mean like the National Gallery of Canada? The one that attracts some of the best art exhibits in the world?

Nature? You mean like the 361 square kilometer Gatineau Park that the NCC operates? Or the dozens of other green spaces operated by the NCC in the Ottawa area? 236 kms in recreational paths, 90 kms in parkways, 6 official residences, national holocaust monument, war of 1812 monument, more than 70 heritage buildings, the rideau locks, the canal, mer bleue, stony swamp, meech lake, etc.

But yeah I can totally understand how little this capital city invests in art and nature. Maybe we can just bulldoze all the buildings in Ottawa and become the first national capital in the world that's entirely a park/forest.

 

[exv91]

Hopefully there's no new sports arena... the city needs to move the focus away from the overwhelming emphasis on sports.

How about something cultural? We must be one of the only capital cities in the western world without a contemporary art museum. How about something to do with nature? Something for the mind. Not sports.

Go back under your artsy fartsy rock. What this city needs is a lot less of the pretentious, arrogant, conceited, boastful and selfish arts movement. We already have a war museum, a nature museum, a national art gallery, the bytown museum, the currency museum, the canadian museum of contemporary photography, the national archives, the museum of science and technology, the ottawa school of art, theatres gallore etc. Enough already, the last thing this city needs is another museum that suffers from low attendance that becomes a drain on federal tax dollars.

 

[coladin]

I would love a world class aquarium there.

 

[Northern Neighbour]

The National Gallery isn't a contemporary art museum. Far from it actually. I would support the development of a contemporary arts museum if it's part of a broader proposal but not the centrepiece.

The city desperately needs a medium-sized concert venue, though. With a growing music scene, the city would benefit from having more bands pass through.

 

[Upgrayedd]

Hopefully there's no new sports arena... the city needs to move the focus away from the overwhelming emphasis on sports.

How about something cultural? We must be one of the only capital cities in the western world without a contemporary art museum. How about something to do with nature? Something for the mind. Not sports.

Good sarcasm!