Ryan Hartman hit/Andrighetto spear (upd: Hartman suspended one game)

[PatriceBergeronFan]

Just saw the hit.

Looks like its entirely shoulder to chin

Perhaps, but this player was fully watching the puck and had he not it would have been shoulder to chest. In my opinion at least...

 

[triggrman]

That's the weakest of weak nut shots I've ever seen. The stick looks like it's in the area more than anything. Guys shouldn't be doing this on the ice but it looks like Andrighetto did it in retaliation for Hartman's attempted charge.

really? I'm not sure you saw the actual nut shot...

 

[Cyclones Rock]

Andrighetto should be suspended for the rest of the Avs playoffs.

That would be a one game suspension.

 

[TitansVolsPreds615]

Damn take some responsibility for your players Preds fans. There's been many dirty hits on Avs players throughout the series too, don't see them going around headhunting because they were 'retaliating due to their antics'.

Are we watching the same series?

 

[Foppberg]

Andrighetto should be suspended for the rest of the Avs playoffs.

That would be a one game suspension.

10/10 Ryan Johansen chirp.

 

[JLo217]

No way that Hartman deserves a penalty. But again Doughty did get suspended

You're obviously far more blind than Carl Soderberg.

 

[JLo217]

I don't see how that hit is a hearing.

If anything the spear should be getting a fine....

The NHL is going a bit crazy on borderline high hits now of all times. Why not do this in the regular season.

It's all head contact thats how...

 

[predwings]

It's all head contact thats how...

If this was the case they’d have gone after Zadorov for the hit against Fiala where he clearly initiated contact with the head.

Also somewhere on the Preds twitterverse there are 2 gifs Hartman got speared twice by Spear Andreghetto on the Same shift he retaliated on the 2nd

 

[Avs44]

If this was the case they’d have gone after Zadorov for the hit against Fiala where he clearly initiated contact with the head.

Also somewhere on the Preds twitterverse there are 2 gifs Hartman got speared twice by Spear Andreghetto on the Salem shift he retaliated on the 2nd

Zadorov's hit was largely through the body - much like Johansen's hit on Barrie, which didn't get suspended either. Hartman caught almost purely the head.

 

[Paranoid Android]

Hartman's hit should get him a game or two.
Sven's spears won't result in anything. History tells us the NHL doesn't care about spears unless they are really bad. Should have been a minor penalty though.
Zadorov's hit on Fiala was 100% clean.

 

[wadesworld]

Zadorov's hit was largely through the body - much like Johansen's hit on Barrie, which didn't get suspended either. Hartman caught almost purely the head.

Hartmann caught the chin, and followed through into the shoulder. His hit was absolutely deserving of a suspension.

However, Zadorov was going for a clean body check, but first caught the head with his shoulder. Avs fans argue that if your intent was a clean hit or you happen to be tall, hitting the head first doesn't matter - hit the head all you want.

That's not the way the NHL supposedly looks at it. Supposedly, you are responsible for your actions and being tall is not an excuse. If you accidentally hit the head (especially first), it is still suspension-worthy.

Having said that, since Zadorov is not receiving a suspension, they apparently don't follow their own logic. Open season on any player below average height. Sorry guys.

 

[GloryDaze4877]

Perhaps, but this player was fully watching the puck and had he not it would have been shoulder to chest. In my opinion at least...

Are you talking about the Zadarov hit or the Hartman hit? Because the Hartman hit was a blatant hit to the head of Soderberg.

Even Preds fans aren’t questioning that.

 

[Avs44]

Hartmann caught the chin, and followed through into the shoulder. His hit was absolutely deserving of a suspension.

However, Zadorov was going for a clean body check, but first caught the head with his shoulder. Avs fans argue that if your intent was a clean hit or you happen to be tall, hitting the head first doesn't matter - hit the head all you want.

That's not the way the NHL supposedly looks at it. Supposedly, you are responsible for your actions and being tall is not an excuse. If you accidentally hit the head (especially first), it is still suspension-worthy.

Having said that, since Zadorov is not receiving a suspension, they apparently don't follow their own logic. Open season on any player below average height. Sorry guys.

You mean the same logic they used to not suspend Johansen, who hit a much smaller Tyson Barrie and received nothing for head contact? I didn't see you complaining about this logic then.

In fact, I remember you voraciously defending Johansen's hit on Barrie. This one, remember?



And before you say there was no head contact:

But you don't see your hypocrisy here...somehow Johansen hitting Barrie's head because he was bigger was A-OK (and you did defend it, see your post history. I also said the hit was fine so I'm not being hypocritical, see mine), but Zadorov hitting Fiala in the head for being bigger is suspendable and saying otherwise is what's actually hypocritical in your world.

 

[Legionnaire11]

What about what he did one year ago?

Has no bearing on last night's game. Which is consistent with what I said, calling out inconsistent views.

But while we're playing "Gotcha", guess you missed where I again said he should be suspended for the next game? again, talking about consistency, figure it out!

 

[member 147413]

Oh I'm not disagreeing in the ref inconsistency or inability to control a series. Skipped that for a reason.

I'm pulling out the nonsense around saying one player's actions are the direct result of another's. Just because I get punched in the head doesn't justify me punching someone else in the head. So it's silly to even bring up, muddied your argument.

That’s fair, my intention wasn’t to put blame on Andrighetto (stupid play) or Landeskog (stupid play), Hartman is entirely responsible for his own stupid play.

That said, all these dumb plays started at one point, if that’s dealt with head on, we likely don’t see as many dangerous plays we’ve seen to this point.

An eye for an eye is a stupid mentality, but when emotions run high and there’s no accountability, it’s going to happen.

It’s like seeing your friend get assaulted while police are watching and they turn a blind eye. Surely you’d be upset and frustrated, if it happens enough, frustration is bound to win out and people take matters into their own hands.

 

[ZeroPucksGiven]

You mean the same logic they used to not suspend Johansen, who hit a much smaller Tyson Barrie and received nothing for head contact? I didn't see you complaining about this logic then.

In fact, I remember you voraciously defending Johansen's hit on Barrie. This one, remember?



And before you say there was no head contact:

But you don't see your hypocrisy here...somehow Johansen hitting Barrie's head because he was bigger was A-OK (and you did defend it, see your post history. I also said the hit was fine so I'm not being hypocritical, see mine), but Zadorov hitting Fiala in the head for being bigger is suspendable and saying otherwise is what's actually hypocritical in your world.

We're still on this hit? Wow

Again Barrie has his head dropped from shooting. No freaking kidding he's likely to get hit in the head unless his opponents all became midgets.

RJ is GLIDING...not skating nor directing an upward motion, GLIDING with his back turned to minimize the speed. He knows Barrie is in a vulnerable position, yet eligible to be hit.

Different story of RJ gets a full head of steam and smokes Barrie

Full disclosure: not a Preds fan and was amazed by their stickwork in the Pens series last year. But this is not a penalty nor susspension

 

[LCPreds]

Hartman gets speared in the manhood twice.
Reacts as any man would.
(Likely) gets suspended.
Meanwhile the serial nut assassin continues to roam the earth as a free man.

 

[Avs44]

We're still on this hit? Wow

Again Barrie has his head dropped from shooting. No freaking kidding he's likely to get hit in the head unless his opponents all became midgets.

RJ is GLIDING...not skating nor directing an upward motion, GLIDING with his back turned to minimize the speed. He knows Barrie is in a vulnerable position, yet eligible to be hit.

Different story of RJ gets a full head of steam and smokes Barrie

Full disclosure: not a Preds fan and was amazed by their stickwork in the Pens series last year. But this is not a penalty nor susspension

You're completely missing the point of why I posted the hit, please go back and read what I'm replying to.

We're on Z's hit on Fiala; my point is simply that if any Preds fans are defending Johansen's hit on Barrie as not suspendable (which they did), and that if the NHL did not suspend Johansen for this hit on Barrie (which they did not), then those Preds fans are hypocrites for calling for Z to be suspended for his hit on Fiala, considering how similiar both hits were in their technical nature and results.

I'm arguing both hits were very similiar, and both were clean (at least not suspendable) - head contact was made due to Johansen / Z just being bigger. I concur with almost everything you just said about the hit itself.

 

[TitansVolsPreds615]

 

[triggrman]

Andrighetto wanted no part of the actual glove dropping though.

 

[GloryDaze4877]

Hartman gets speared in the manhood twice.
Reacts as any man would.
(Likely) gets suspended.
Meanwhile the serial nut assassin continues to roam the earth as a free man.

So, you believe that “any man” would respond to the spear by going out and hitting somebody else (not the guy that speared him) in the head??

Good call.

I think your avatar says a lot

 

[not a troll]

Hartman gets speared in the manhood twice.
Reacts as any man would.
(Likely) gets suspended.
Meanwhile the serial nut assassin continues to roam the earth as a free man.

By pouting and jumping up and down? If it actually hurt he'd be on the floor.

 

[Number8]

I've carefully analyzed this and he clearly says the following (note: much of what follows should be read in a very loud voice, bordering on a scream):

"My balls!!! Right..... in ........my....... BALLS!

Twice!!!

My f***ing testicles, man!

God DAMN it......!!!"

 

[LCPreds]

By pouting and jumping up and down? If it actually hurt he'd be on the floor.

Then he probably would have gotten an embellishment call.

"Dude, he didn't hit you in the nads THAT hard."

 

[predfan24]

By pouting and jumping up and down? If it actually hurt he'd be on the floor.

The initial spear, which was much worse, occurred earlier in that shift. I believe that one dropped him. I can't find the video of the full incident at work but I saw it this morning. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong.