Ryan Hartman hit/Andrighetto spear (upd: Hartman suspended one game)

[Filthy Dangles]

1 game.

 

[TMLeafs17]

Andrighetto sure got the best of Hartman that game. Too bad the Avs couldn’t pull out the comeback.

 

[JLo217]

What a joke. I guess the Playoff discount is real...

 

[triggrman]

Hartman out, Hartnell in...

 

[bdub24]

One Avs dude:He should be suspended!

Gets suspended.

Same Avs dude:What a joke this league is!

 

[TitansVolsPreds615]

Hartman out, Hartnell in...

Hartman gets a game for gooning it up and in comes the biggest goon on the roster. Can't make that up.

 

[The Abusement Park]

Similar hit that Johansen laid in game 1. Avs fans were all over this board calling for a suspension. Glass houses and such. For the record, I thought both hits were clean.

That’s because both of them clean. Barrie put himself in a shitty position and got his bell rung by Ryjo, I have no issue with that hit.

 

[Foppberg]

Shoulda been a few games more, but at least he got something.

 

[4thTierSport]

2 spears in the matter of a minute and the chicken shit flops at the slightest touch when confronted.

 

[Il Stugotz]

Makes sense that it’s the same as the Doughty hit

 

[stl76]

Yeah, 1 game sounds about right (given the standards of other hits this postseason).




@wadesworld notice how in the video explaining the decision, the NHL mentions the head being the main point of contact several times? Not trying to be an asshole here, just hoping this point is more clear in the future. The NHL explanation makes no mention of the head being the initial point of contact, but mentions at least 3 times that the head was the main point of contact. THAT'S what the league is looking for, and why the hits on Fiala, Barrie, etc, did not result in suspensions.

To get even more confusing, I believe it's even legal for the head to be the main point of contact as long as it's ruled that head contact was not avoidable. Tho that wasn't the case here.

For reference, if you watch the Doughty suspension explanation video (LINK) the NHL explicitly states that the Illegal Check To The Head Rule 48.1 does NOT take into account what the first or initial point of contact is. Here is the rule 48.1 directly from the rule book:

Illegal Check to the Head – A hit resulting in contact with an opponent’s head where the head was the main point of contact and such contact to the head was avoidable is not permitted.

If you want to know why the Zadorov hit on Fiala was not illegal, the short story is that he hit thru Fiala's body and the head contact was considered unavoidable under rule 48.1 (i), which states:

In determining whether contact with an opponent's head was avoidable, the circumstances of the hit including the following shall be considered:

(i) Whether the player attempted to hit squarely through the opponent’s body and the head was not "picked" as a result of poor timing, poor angle of approach, or unnecessary extension of the body upward or outward.

(ii)Whether the opponent put himself in a vulnerable position by assuming a posture that made head contact on an otherwise full body check unavoidable.

(iii)Whether the opponent materially changed the position of his body or head immediately prior to or simultaneously with the hit in a way that significantly contributed to the head contact.

 

[Lumpy66]

If I was Hartman I would say that I'm sorry for letting my emotions get the best of me. I would also add that I now know if I ever get upset I should just spear someone in the groin twice. That way I don't get suspended.

Honestly the suspension was worthy, it wasn't a clean hit, but groin spears are just about as dirty as you can get as well, so I understand his response.

 

[AMDZen]

One Avs dude:He should be suspended!

Gets suspended.

Same Avs dude:What a joke this league is!

So if I am mad that you owe me 300 dollars, but you give me 100 - I should just be happy with what I got?

Maybe you're just not smart enough to realize that whoever you're referring to thinks 1 game wasn't enough?

 

[valet]

wow, Hartman is truly a bum

 

[JLo217]

So if I am mad that you owe me 300 dollars, but you give me 100 - I should just be happy with what I got?

Maybe you're just not smart enough to realize that whoever you're referring to thinks 1 game wasn't enough?

To much brain processing power is needed for that to be thought of.

 

[North Cole]

So if I am mad that you owe me 300 dollars, but you give me 100 - I should just be happy with what I got?

Maybe you're just not smart enough to realize that whoever you're referring to thinks 1 game wasn't enough?

Bad analogy. If you're mad that someone owes you 300, it's because you gave them 300 or some other amount with interest attached. In that case it's agreed upon before hand, and the debtor is going back on their word. The league didn't say they would suspend him for 3 games and then only suspend him for 1......

Whining about the fact that a suspension isn't long enough is arbitrary and pedantic. If Colorado doesn't win, then there isn't much difference between 2 games and 1 game. I don't think anyone could seriously ask for more than two? Could they?

 

[adsfan]

wow, Hartman is truly a bum

And Andrighetto, the multiple nut spearer, is an upstanding citizen? I don't think so. I would have liked to see a fight between them, but multiple nut spearer crumpled to the ice, then did his best to avoid Hartman, which was being a chicken, but may have saved his "career".

 

[valet]

And Andrighetto, the multiple nut spearer, is an upstanding citizen? I don't think so. I would have liked to see a fight between them, but multiple nut spearer crumpled to the ice, then did his best to avoid Hartman, which was being a chicken, but may have saved his "career".

relax bro

 

[cgf]

And Andrighetto, the multiple nut spearer, is an upstanding citizen? I don't think so. I would have liked to see a fight between them, but multiple nut spearer crumpled to the ice, then did his best to avoid Hartman, which was being a chicken, but may have saved his "career".

Hope Mrs. Hartman is cool with adopting since Mr Hartman was so viciously gelded...

 

[The Abusement Park]

And Andrighetto, the multiple nut spearer, is an upstanding citizen? I don't think so. I would have liked to see a fight between them, but multiple nut spearer crumpled to the ice, then did his best to avoid Hartman, which was being a chicken, but may have saved his "career".

I don't think any Avs fan here has defended Ghetto's nut shot... but a few NSH fans have tried to rationalize some of the shitty things that Hartman has done so far this series.

 

[adsfan]

Andrighetto sure got the best of Hartman that game. Too bad the Avs couldn’t pull out the comeback.

You are absolutely right. Maybe some of the Preds can take turns spearing Andrihetto in Game 5 until he becomes incontinent or a eunuch. There seems to be no penalty for that behavior in the NHL. Maybe it needs to be addressed in the off season. (This paragraph is scarcasm)

You never stopped to think that what happened during that incident really got the Preds juiced up? They scored the third and game winning goal 2:08 later in period 2 so that the Avs could not come back in a 3-2 loss.

Andrighetto lost the game for the Avs. Hartman nearly lost the game for the Preds. One got suspended and the other one has to live with what he did.

 

[bdub24]

So if I am mad that you owe me 300 dollars, but you give me 100 - I should just be happy with what I got?

Maybe you're just not smart enough to realize that whoever you're referring to thinks 1 game wasn't enough?

I see. So Hartman owes the Avs more than the league says he owes. Got it. That wacky tabacky a mile high up sure does make for some interesting logic gymnastics. I mean 10 of 10 man. Or maybe I'm just not like you known bright enough to catch your entitled vibe.

 

[bdub24]

To much brain processing power is needed for that to be thought of.

'Too much' I think you meant. But go on, you were addressing intellect, I believe?

 

[braindead]

Hearing transcript just released- pretty interesting read:

George Parros (DOPS)- [ strolls in sipping a white russian] Ryan, get your feet off my Persian Rug and listen up. That was a boneheaded hit. Really dirty play. I know dirty- I played for the Ducks.

Ryan Hartman- damn Dude! The Ducks? That’s dirty. So we cool?

GP: No way. I’m against that stuff now. And against the Kings too so I gave Drew a game suspension for something that wasn’t nearly as bad. Ass hat Kings got sweeeeepppppt. Ah hahahah.

RH: uhhhh, so did the dirty Ducks, Dude.

GP: Let’s focus on you son. Three games. You’re outta here.

RH: [jumps up and down pointing to his junk] No. NO. NOOOOOOOO. It wasn’t suspendible.

GP: What part of headshots don’t you understand? This isn’t Nam. This is hockey. There are rules!!

RH: Ghetto speared me in the nuts man. It made me crazy. You gotta feel for a brother here.

GP: we got his testimony son. You know what he says? He says ‘nobody f***s with Jesus man’.

RH[ more jumping, more vigorous pointing at his balls]. He speared me twice!! And he turtled when I tried to punch him.

GP: Turtled in a fight???? Walter is that man a Nazi? An Avery???

RH: Worse, he’s a nihilist. A Nihilist. F me. Say what you want about national socialism but at least it’s an ethos.

GP: Ok, one game then.

RH: [Jumping up and down again, bumps GP. White Russian splashes all over the Persian Rug]

GP: Careful man, there’s a beverage here.

RH: You have no evidence of intent!

GP: actually the game audio was sent to us. We can hear you saying ‘This is what happens when you F*** a stranger in the A**’ as his head snaps back. You meant it. This aggression will not stand.

RH: [as he leaves ] yeah well that’s just your opinion man.

Gp: [ starts rolling up the rug]. Too bad. This rug really tied the room together.

 

[cgf]

I see. So Hartman owes the Avs more than the league says he owes. Got it. That wacky tabacky a mile high up sure does make for some interesting logic gymnastics. I mean 10 of 10 man. Or maybe I'm just not like you known bright enough to catch your entitled vibe.

Don't feel bad, we know that being raised on moonshine makes basic arithmetic much trickier to learn as an adult ;-)