Rumor: Rumors or Proposals Thread | Who Do You Look to Move on From in the Offseason?

[CROTT]

Thanks!! I honestly blew that one.

No problem. I had to re-read that a few times, I've known you from other boards and you're often right. Over 25 and undraft = No ELC as far as the CBA is concerned.

 

[Fourier]

No problem. I had to re-read that a few times, I've known you from other boards and you're often right. Over 25 and undraft = No ELC as far as the CBA is concerned.

It was the draft issue that I overlooked.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

Thanks!! I honestly blew that one.

He still needs a 1 year ELC as he is a “European player”, if he played his draft Year in North America he would be free to sign for anything

 

[belair]

From the CBA,


He is UNDRAFTED the notwithstanding does not apply.

Then take us off the list then. A team like Vancouver could offer him $2m+, which we should definitely not be doing.

These Russian UFAs flop far more frequently than not.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

Then take us off the list then. A team like Vancouver could offer him $2m+, which we should definitely not be doing.

These Russian UFAs flop far more frequently than not.

He has to sign a 1 year ELC.

 

[Davo Ikinzom]

we will need to shed money that would be the first step and him waiving his ntc--oilers are reportedly on the list as is other Canadian based teams

Where'd you hear that?

 

[Da McBomb]

So Kane was out golfing Friday in Edmonton with some Oiler management according to Stauffer? Interesting....

 

[North]

GET OFF YOUR ASS HOLLAND AND GET HIM

It’s very likely we’re on his no trade list.

Not sure how many times we have to do this dance before people get that some players will just never want to come here.

 

[CupofOil]

I've been away from hockey news the last several days so I'm late to the game on the Keith news. Well, not much news but speculation. It would obviously be massive if Keith does retire but I give it virtually no chance at happening. The guy seems to love playing and he's still reasonably effective so I'd be shocked if he retired but it's interesting that management is even discussing it with him so until he's officially back next season, I'll still cling to the faint hope that he does the Oilers a huge favor.

 

[CROTT]

He has to sign a 1 year ELC.

ARTICLE 9 ENTRY LEVEL COMPENSATION 9.1 Applicability and Duration. Effective with SPCs entered into after the execution of this Agreement: (a) No Club may enter into an SPC with a Rookie that provides for compensation in excess of that permitted by this Article. (b) Subject to subsection (c) below, the period covered by the SPC for every Rookie, and the number of years that such Player will be in the Entry Level System and subject to the compensation limits set out in this Article, shall be as indicated on the chart immediately below, and during such period, the Player shall be deemed to be a "Group 1 Player":

First SPC Signing Age Period Covered by First SPC and Years in the Entry Level System and Subject to Compensation Limits

18-21 3 years
22-23 2 years
24 1 year
25 and older No required number of years, not in the Entry Level System and not subject to limits on compensation

(c)
Notwithstanding the chart set forth in (b) above, a Player who at the time he was drafted was playing for a team outside North America or who meets the qualifications set forth in Article 8.4(a)(v) (a "European Player") who signs his first SPC at ages 25-27 shall be subject to the Entry Level System for one (1) year. A European Player who signs his first SPC at age 28 or older is not subject to the Entry Level System under any circumstances

He's undrafted and over 25 so NO ELC, you keep saying he has to sign an ELC but don't provide any context or prof.

 

[soothsayer]

Stauffer "suggesting" that the Oilers will have more cap space than some originally thought.

Also said look to a more subtle deal with an Easter Canadian team for a guy who is a ufa in 2023 (Connor Brown is my guess).

 

[Tobias Kahun]

ARTICLE 9 ENTRY LEVEL COMPENSATION 9.1 Applicability and Duration. Effective with SPCs entered into after the execution of this Agreement: (a) No Club may enter into an SPC with a Rookie that provides for compensation in excess of that permitted by this Article. (b) Subject to subsection (c) below, the period covered by the SPC for every Rookie, and the number of years that such Player will be in the Entry Level System and subject to the compensation limits set out in this Article, shall be as indicated on the chart immediately below, and during such period, the Player shall be deemed to be a "Group 1 Player":

First SPC Signing Age Period Covered by First SPC and Years in the Entry Level System and Subject to Compensation Limits

18-21 3 years
22-23 2 years
24 1 year
25 and older No required number of years, not in the Entry Level System and not subject to limits on compensation

(c)
Notwithstanding the chart set forth in (b) above, a Player who at the time he was drafted was playing for a team outside North America or who meets the qualifications set forth in Article 8.4(a)(v) (a "European Player") who signs his first SPC at ages 25-27 shall be subject to the Entry Level System for one (1) year. A European Player who signs his first SPC at age 28 or older is not subject to the Entry Level System under any circumstances

He is considered a “European player”.

He needs a 1 year ELC

 

[Jumptheshark]

just to clerify. I jave been looking at Gibson for awhile and have no problem tossing picks and prospects to get him

my guess is the ducks will ask for Hollow, Broberg and maybe 2 1st

Everyone in the league knows our goalies cost us the playoffs and they will make us bleed to fill that need

 

[SwedishFire]

This will sound dumb for a lot of folks - but! - if they traded Nurse for a sound deal, and gets out with a lower cap, they get rid of 9m$.

Everything is about value, and Nurse is NOT worth 9m$, Sorry bro´s.
In what world did he think that he was more worth than Draisaitl...

But once again. 1Ds , you cant find- you draft´em.

 

[CROTT]

He is considered a “European player”.

He needs a 1 year ELC

That says a DRAFTED player.

 

[Jumptheshark]

Stauffer "suggesting" that the Oilers will have more cap space than some originally thought.

he believes keith will retired--freeing up the cap hit of 5+ and 3+ due to his cap hit was more than his actual pay

Keith back to the Hawks for our 3rd and he retires a hawk and we can all pretend this year did not happen

 

[Fourier]

From the CBA,


He is UNDRAFTED the notwithstanding does not apply.

As Tobias Kahun points out the devil is in the or. He is European so it seems that the "drafted" clause may not apply here. The way it is written is somewhat ambiguous. It could be drafted and European or European. The latter makes the most sense which would mean he would as I expected require an ELC.

 

[Jumptheshark]

Where'd you hear that?

the way duck fans were talking last off season, Jets, Oilers, Sens and Habs are suspected to be on the list--some think TO is also on the list

 

[Tobias Kahun]

That says a DRAFTED player.

No it doesn’t, “OR A PLAYER WHO MEETS THE QUALIFICATIONS.”

 

[Fourier]

He has to sign a 1 year ELC.

I believe you are correct!!! That clause is not well worded.

There are two possible interpretations of the way that the clause is written. I like yours! I think it is correct.

 

[soothsayer]

he believes keith will retired--freeing up the cap hit of 5+ and 3+ due to his cap hit was more than his actual pay

Keith back to the Hawks for our 3rd and he retires a hawk and we can all pretend this year did not happen

He also made the interesting comment that he's not so sure that there would be extra 3M cap savings if he did retire--so, just the 5.5M total. "Don't quote me on that", but I wonder if he'a been hearing something.

 

[Canovin]

If Smith and Keith suddenly chooses to retire. Y'all can thank Katz for it

 

[CupofOil]

Someone on here said his buyout would cost less than 1 mill against the cap, is that true?

Yes, less than 1m this year and years 3 and 4. Next offseason would be the biggest hit, 1.9m on the cap so only a 1.3m savings next offseason.

If they could trade him retaining 1m without attaching an asset that's probably best but I'm not sure that a team would take him at 2.2m for two years without asking for an asset in addition unless Holland found another Holland to do him a favor so I think they'll probably have to buy him out.

A Kassian buyout doesn't really make sense.

Let's say you replace him with a $1.5M player. That means you save $1M next season and actually pay about $200k more the next season then add the ~$1M for two more seasons after that.

Same for retention. You'll essentially being paying the same if you trade him at 50% and replace him with a $1.5M player. That only makes sense if that $1.5M player is a lot better than Kassian and that probably won't happen if they're coming from UFA.

They pretty much have to trade him at close to full cap hit to come out ahead financially.

It's only a 966K difference this offseason (the most critical offseason) if they trade him at full salary as opposed to a buyout. Is that really worth giving up a 1st?

 

[Jumptheshark]

He also made the interesting comment that he's not so sure that there would be extra 3M cap savings if he did retire--so, just the 5.5M total. "Don't quote me on that", but I wonder if he'a been hearing something.

according to both puckpedia and capfriendly--because his cap hit was over what he got paid--the oilers would get that money back--while the hawks get f***ed

 

[belair]

He has to sign a 1 year ELC.

Simply put, if it's anything beyond that, it's too much of a risk.

That being said, I doubt there'd be this much of a demand for him if he wasn't coming in on a potential bargain.