Rogers Place Construction :: Part V: Mod warning #846

[MPStoEberletoHall*]

Somewhat off topic, but does anyone know what they will be doing with Rexall? I really want them to put up for auction some sick pieces from the arena

 

[Replacement*]

So around 134 days to completion of arena? looks like a lot of finishing work before that takes place. In a building that is tech heavy that's likely to involve a lot.

What I can visualize is a bare bones arena with a lot of tech issues still not resolved and opened a month or more later than the September 2nd date.

Also, this can be one of the most frustrating construction times as sub trades are basically on top of each other trying to keep their work on track. With Sups all over the place looking at everything.

 

[GMofOilers]

So around 134 days to completion of arena? looks like a lot of finishing work before that takes place. In a building that is tech heavy that's likely to involve a lot.

What I can visualize is a bare bones arena with a lot of tech issues still not resolved and opened a month or more later than the September 2nd date.

Also, this can be one of the most frustrating construction times as sub trades are basically on top of each other trying to keep their work on track. With Sups all over the place looking at everything.

I also think the timeline is going to be tight.

I followed the Vegas Arena pretty closely though and seemed like they worked on it right until opening day, and hevent heard of any complaints.

If your bored look the progress and time frame of that one compared to ours. Im thinking ours actually looks further ahead.

 

[1Gold Standard]

I know I'm going to be disappointed if the cameras are not back in position to check in on the rinkboard install and jumbotron install. That's the highlight of my morning coffee routine.

 

[alphahelix]

Am I being picky if I still find the cost reductions on the community rink disappointing? I thought I'd get over it, but staring at the sky view live camera.... There are going to be a lot of aerial shots and a lot of skyscrapers nearby looking down... the new stylized form factor rink is directly attached to an ugly square with HVAC and other equipment jammed on its flat roof. And the internals not having that sleek wood finish will make it feel out of place too.

It cheapens the look of the complex significantly, to me. Oh well.

How much extra could it cost for rounded corners and a little veneer?

I've gotten over the brushed steel-for-zinc replacement, btw.

 

[Kodiak64]

Am I being picky if I still find the cost reductions on the community rink disappointing? I thought I'd get over it, but staring at the sky view live camera.... There are going to be a lot of aerial shots and a lot of skyscrapers nearby looking down... the new stylized form factor rink is directly attached to an ugly square with HVAC and other equipment jammed on its flat roof. And the internals not having that sleek wood finish will make it feel out of place too.

It cheapens the look of the complex significantly, to me. Oh well.

How much extra could it cost for rounded corners and a little veneer?

I've gotten over the brushed steel-for-zinc replacement, btw.

The building that you're seeing on the live view is not the community rink, it's the Grand Villa Casino and OEG offices. And it looks pretty much like it did in the original renders.

The community rink is the section with black exterior cladding.

 

[alphahelix]

Sir, you are quite right and correct - the community rink should be behind that structure, right?

Still, it looks ugly -- and while it is definitely a square in the renders, It looks like it fits in better in the renders. I don't know whether that is due to lack of HVAC fixtures, coloration, gap space, texture.. whatever it is - Its hurtin' my eyes.

 

[Kodiak64]

Sir, you are quite right and correct - the community rink should be behind that structure, right?

Still, it looks ugly -- and while it is definitely a square in the renders, It looks like it fits in better in the renders. I don't know whether that is due to lack of HVAC fixtures, coloration, gap space, texture.. whatever it is - Its hurtin' my eyes.

Yeah the community rink is directly north of that.

IMO it's the HVAC fixtures that are hurting the aesthetic in aerial shots. You can't see them from street level and that building actually looks pretty nice in person.

 

[JetsOilersfan]

So around 134 days to completion of arena? looks like a lot of finishing work before that takes place. In a building that is tech heavy that's likely to involve a lot.

What I can visualize is a bare bones arena with a lot of tech issues still not resolved and opened a month or more later than the September 2nd date.

Also, this can be one of the most frustrating construction times as sub trades are basically on top of each other trying to keep their work on track. With Sups all over the place looking at everything.

LOL - you're not used to new construction are you? That's normal. More than normal. If you only want one sub trade in at a time, add 18 months to any construction. This is normal. GWL field in Wpg was delayed a whole year, luckily for the Bombers they hadn't blown up the old Wpg Stadium yet. Absolute worse case scenario is the Northlands charges a Kings ransom (whatever that works out to be) for the Oilers and Oil Kings to play at Rexall but doubt that will happen. The delay in the Stadium in Wpg was due to shoddy concrete (funny, same thing happened when the they added the upper decks in the old arena when the Jets first joined the NHL - go figure )

 

[KCC]

So around 134 days to completion of arena? looks like a lot of finishing work before that takes place. In a building that is tech heavy that's likely to involve a lot.

What I can visualize is a bare bones arena with a lot of tech issues still not resolved and opened a month or more later than the September 2nd date.

Also, this can be one of the most frustrating construction times as sub trades are basically on top of each other trying to keep their work on track. With Sups all over the place looking at everything.

That's a lot of time in the construction world. At least it seems like it. It's always stop and go with that sort of stuff. One mi ute everything looks like it's at a stand still and the next half of it is complete. I'll be worried if a month from opening it looks the same

I'm no expert but even I know they work on top of each other in general when it comes to anything construction for larger buildings. It will be finished in time

 

[Replacement*]

LOL - you're not used to new construction are you? That's normal. More than normal. If you only want one sub trade in at a time, add 18 months to any construction. This is normal. GWL field in Wpg was delayed a whole year, luckily for the Bombers they hadn't blown up the old Wpg Stadium yet. Absolute worse case scenario is the Northlands charges a Kings ransom (whatever that works out to be) for the Oilers and Oil Kings to play at Rexall but doubt that will happen. The delay in the Stadium in Wpg was due to shoddy concrete (funny, same thing happened when the they added the upper decks in the old arena when the Jets first joined the NHL - go figure )

hAha you caught that hey. I've been out of Construction for a long long time. Used to work in masonry so the less subtrades and sups around stalling things the better.

I think we drew up a linear correlation between X amount of superintendents around and pointless tear downs. Add some more drafts people and architects and its "oh we changed this spec again" Oh well, gotta love cost plus.

ps the other day I was bored and noticed on the arena interior cam that somebody parked a scissor lift length wise across the corridor causing a needless bottleneck with people walking around it all day and jamming other pallets and equipment from getting through. You think somebody would move it? It wasn't used all day, thousand times people moving by there. Little stuff like that drove us nuts on construction sites. Move it or lose it. Its like old absent minded ladies in a superstore parking their cart sideways.

 

[McHilman]

 

[McHilman]

Stantec Tower raft slab pour stats:

- Raft sits on 39 piles, 1.8m in diameter, deepest of which runs 80m into the ground (a separate source indicates that these may be the deepest ever used in an office tower in North America)
- Typically raft slabs act as one big footing and bear directly on the soil, but because of the height and loading of this tower, piles were also needed
- 760 tonnes of rebar was used for the raft slab
- 2800 cubic metres of concrete was used
- Raft Dimensions are 24m wide x 36m long x 3m tall
- Pour start time 5am, end time 3pm - roughly 10 hours
- About 311 concrete trucks were needed
- Pour rate was ~300m3/hr; ~33 trucks every hour

http://skyrisecities.com/news/2016/04/photos-capture-stantec-towers-11-hour-raft-slab-pour

 

[1Gold Standard]

something interesting is happening on the rink cam. not quite sure what's going on, but some heavy lifting to the upper bowl.

 

[joestevens29]

The contract says it has to be finished by Sept. 2.

Finished or useable?

 

[joestevens29]

hAha you caught that hey. I've been out of Construction for a long long time. Used to work in masonry so the less subtrades and sups around stalling things the better.

I think we drew up a linear correlation between X amount of superintendents around and pointless tear downs. Add some more drafts people and architects and its "oh we changed this spec again" Oh well, gotta love cost plus.

ps the other day I was bored and noticed on the arena interior cam that somebody parked a scissor lift length wise across the corridor causing a needless bottleneck with people walking around it all day and jamming other pallets and equipment from getting through. You think somebody would move it? It wasn't used all day, thousand times people moving by there. Little stuff like that drove us nuts on construction sites. Move it or lose it. Its like old absent minded ladies in a superstore parking their cart sideways.

Honestly given the state of the economy I think it's quite clear that if you can't handle the pressure of all the guys then leave and we'll take one of the other thousands of guys that are dying for a job.

I think it's also safe to assume that a lot of the people working on this site are use to multiple trades guys on a site at a time as there has been a lot of pressure the past decade or so to get buildings done quick.

 

[Replacement*]

Honestly given the state of the economy I think it's quite clear that if you can't handle the pressure of all the guys then leave and we'll take one of the other thousands of guys that are dying for a job.

I think it's also safe to assume that a lot of the people working on this site are use to multiple trades guys on a site at a time as there has been a lot of pressure the past decade or so to get buildings done quick.

Not sure how that's connected with my post. What I was referencing is that job site cooperation and respect for the space of other trades is a necessity and especially as the number of finishing trades increases. Leaving equipment just parked across a busy corridor all day is just being ignorant. One piece of equipment parked in the worst possible place was creating a bottleneck for every other crew trying to move equipment, supplies through.

Anyway I can't see them making the September 2 timeline.

 

[MoneyGuy]

Finished or useable?

Not sure. I was told finished but it may mean useable.

 

[sOILing McSelf]

Not sure. I was told finished but it may mean useable.

I haven't read the contract but typically in construction projects like this the date in the contract is for substantial completion. Which means it can be used for the intent it was built and that all life safety systems are in place (sprinklers, fireproofing, etc). There will still be deficiencies to fix such as touch-ups to painting/flooring/etc. There will also be a warranty period of varying lengths depending of the issue (for instance roofing has a very long warranty, flooring is much shorter).

That's the standard in construction when it comes to the contract "completion" date.

 

[Kerricthebig]

There is a crane back in the rink atm. Also appear to be finishing the loge level in the bowl. I can see about a dozen workers on each side getting tables and railings in place.

 

[Jumptheshark]

Looks like it will be a tight fit for next season. Is there a back up plan if the arena is not ready in time for next season

 

[oiler-dude]

Looks like it will be a tight fit for next season. Is there a back up plan if the arena is not ready in time for next season

If something went wrong at Rogers (at this point it's on schedule), I'd imagine they'd either start out with a lengthy road trip if it's a small delay, or negotiate with Northlands to play at Rexall if need be. Don't think it'll come to that, though.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

I have a friend who's working there and PCL has daily and weekly deadlines to meet

this will get done on time

 

[Jumptheshark]

I have a friend who's working there and PCL has daily and weekly deadlines to meet

this will get done on time

As someone who is a project manager every project large or small have deadlines and time frames. Things go wrong at the silliest times

 

[Canovin]

Worst case scenario I see the Oilers playing a few games in Regina/Saskatoon