pnep
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Thanks a lot pnep! Where do you get all this info?
http://goingfivehole.blogspot.com/2008/06/more-nhl-awards-and-voting-results.html
Thanks a lot pnep! Where do you get all this info?
I like that Zetterberg got mentioned on all Forwardpositions for the All-Star team
I like that Zetterberg got mentioned on all Forwardpositions for the All-Star team
I do not understand how Peter Laviolette gets more votes then Gretzky.
It's pretty weird to see Nabokov ahead of Brodeur by a significant margin for the all-star team while the later won the Vezina trophy. Theodore-Roy in 2002 was a similar situation but the outcome was decided by 1 or two vote. This time, the gap seems right out of the margin of error.
Keep in mind that different voters select the Vezina and all-star teams. The GMs vote on the top goaltenders; the PHWA votes for the all-star teams.
Hmmmm Interesting Info/Stats...
So; During the 10 Seasons Brodeur played while Patrick Roy was in the League...Roy only finished a head of Brodeur in Vezina Voting 2 times!
TWICE in 10 years. Interesting Especially in Light of the Recent Top 100 results
Why not tell us what you find interesting about it? Most people around here have figured out how to selectively choose arguments which suit their preconceived notions about which goaltender they like better.
You don't find it interesting that 8 of 10 years they both played in the league together Brodeur finished a head of Roy in Vezina voting?
And one of the years Roy finished a head of Brodeur; was Brodeur's Rookie year.
That is not substanstial in your mind? It is mine. Awards of this nature to show "dominance" is basically one of the essential arguements this board uses on every single topic that arises between players.
I also found it interesting that after Brodeur's first two seasons in the league (one of which he was rookie of the year) he never finished Lower than 5th in Vezina voting over a 12 years span. Pretty incredible.
I imagine a lot of people put great stock in Roy's 2 Smythe trophies. Unfortunately, you can't discredit those and not discredit Vezina voting as well so I guess you are stuck.
imagine a lot of people put great stock in Roy's 2 Smythe trophies.
I haven't "discredited" made any judgments, or any "preconceived notions" on anything in this thread.
Just stating facts I find interesting.
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But back to your initial statement;
So is what you are saying is 2 years of incredible playoff performance outweighs 10 years of regular season dominance on the All time top 100 List??? Interesting --- Now I want to talk about Hasek
If anything I think Brodeur is underrated historically. I had him #27 on my original top 100 list. I'll let others regurgitate the Roy arguments or link them as they see fit.
It often seems to a matter of Convenient Logic…1+1 = 2 except when I need it to = 3
It is called the Pythagorean-HockeysFuture theorem
I imagine a lot of people put great stock in Roy's 2 Smythe trophies. Unfortunately, you can't discredit those and not discredit Vezina voting as well so I guess you are stuck.
My guess as to why people put more stock into Roy's 2 Smythe Trophies than you'd like them to is because he has 3 Smythe Trophies.
So if people are putting about 50% more stock into the trophies than you'd expect them to, that would account for the difference.
Which segues nicely into Jim's comment above that 1+1=2 unless people want it to equal 3, and your follow-up about how lots of people can't add.
Meh, I meant 3. They are right next to each other on the keyboards, I hate that.