Post-Game Talk: Philadelphia Flyers at New York Rangers - February 18

[member 116805]

Is AV riding Hank so hard because he honestly thinks we're still in the playoff hunt or because he hates Hank? Tough to tell.

As much as I hate AV and want him gone, this is a lose/lose for him.
Play Henrik: get jumped by fans, sit him or even worse, pull him and get henriks stink eye.

Henrik has been a great goaltender for us and AV has coached a few very good runs for us. I don't think any of them should be here for a rebuild.

 

[eco's bones]

On the subject of Quenneville.

Is he the right guy to go with with a younger roster that might need two/three years to get back in the playoffs? Would he even want to do that?

 

[RangerBoy]

Get him his 30th win and then shut him down

7 more wins?

 

[member 116805]

No shit.

 

[eco's bones]

As much as I hate AV and want him gone, this is a lose/lose for him.
Play Henrik: get jumped by fans, sit him or even worse, pull him and get henriks stink eye.

Henrik has been a great goaltender for us and AV has coached a few very good runs for us. I don't think any of them should be here for a rebuild.

Henrik is likely to be angry anyway. IMO what Henrik could really use right now is a vacation. Get away from it all. He needs a break.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Rangers’ free fall continues in scoring-filled 7-4 loss to Flyers

Trade as many players as possible by next Monday at 3pm. Finish out the season with some combination of Rangers/Hartford/Greenville players. Kreider will be back sometime in March. No timetable for his return. It could be 2 weeks. It could be a month. Shattenkirk has no timeline for returning. It's been one month since his knee surgery. The next 3-4 weeks will determine when he returns. There are only 7 weeks remaining in the season.

Interesting that Verbeek was here despite McDonagh not being in the lineup.

I will be very surprised if we see Shattenkirk again this year. There is no need, let him heal up and be 100% for his summer training so he can be good to go next year.

 

[C24]

JT wont see one with the Isles either. Do you think he should move on this summer?

If Snow is not fired he would be crazy not to.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

If Snow is not fired he would be crazy not to.

Okay as long as your consistent.

 

[member 116805]

I wish his mid season influence was greater

I wish we had a GM with some balls.
AV should have been canned 20 games into the season, dosnt matter what Henrik thinks.
This is on the GM, he is responsible for who is under contract.
No big fan of this one player is bigger than the team crap, didn't matter if you are Lundqvist, messier or leach.

 

[Tob]

Get him his 30th win and then shut him down

how?

 

[C24]

Okay as long as your consistent.

I would also not let JT handcuff the team. If he does not make a decision by a week before the deadline I would trade him.

 

[DanielBrassard]

Interesting that Verbeek was here despite McDonagh not being in the lineup.

I will be very surprised if we see Shattenkirk again this year. There is no need, let him heal up and be 100% for his summer training so he can be good to go next year.

I agree. I'd say the same for Kreider, but it might be good for him mentally to get a few games in.

 

[Trxjw]

Interesting that Verbeek was here despite McDonagh not being in the lineup.

I will be very surprised if we see Shattenkirk again this year. There is no need, let him heal up and be 100% for his summer training so he can be good to go next year.

They're supposedly looking for forward depth as well. Nash, Grabner, and DD are all on their radar I'm sure.

 

[Trxjw]

It's no surprise AV hasn't been fired. The front office wants a high draft pick and getting rid of the coach could potentially spark the team into winning some games.

 

[Xref]

Is AV riding Hank so hard because he honestly thinks we're still in the playoff hunt or because he hates Hank? Tough to tell.

Based on Hank's words and actions, I'd say AV is playing Hank because when Hank doesn't play, Hank gets pissed off at not playing.

 

[Xref]

And this is the guy that says he's in for a rebuild? How is he gonna cope with THAT?

 

[Ola]

I think this is the lowest point of the entire rebuild.

We have all the dead weight and cap crunch of the contention years: Nash, Holden, Staal, Smith.

If we unload the expensive, the old, the slow, we'll be a better team already with Pionk, ADA, Chytil, and Andersson ready.

Plus, never underestimate what a deserving and legitimate coaching staff can do.

We are 2 weeks in, no this is not the low point lol. This is not even low. Ask EDM how they felt 2 weeks into their rebuild, it started in like what 07’? They have a much worse record then we do, ELEVEN years later.

I am starting to think that you cannot rebuild in NY, honestly. People are completely freakin out because we lose a game — that we WANT to lose. We want to lose. If we didn’t, we would have picked up some bodies off waivers. We would have picked up a back up. Traded a few 7th round pick for someone. Gorton wouldn’t have sent out an mail stating that hey, it doesn’t matter if we get into a P.O. spot by the TDL I am sending at least a couple of guys away anyway, on a team with very little depth.

Of course we are going to look like crap. You know what, we scored 4. I was positively surprised lol.

 

[smoneil]

It will be about eating salary and change of the throne.

Nope. Henrik, when he isn't overplayed and has a team at least trying to play defense in front of him, is still an excellent goalie in this league. Too many people on here mistake "not being able to save a team who plays no defense" for "not being a good goalie."

The only reason the team would want to trade Lundqvist is because they think he will win too many games by himself as they try to get a higher pick. As others have noted, that doesn't matter, because NTC. The ONLY way this team moves Henrik is if HE asks for it to take a shot at the Cup, and then they will do it out of respect, not out of any actual desire to move him.

 

[Tob]

And this is the guy that says he's in for a rebuild? How is he gonna cope with THAT?

This is NYR hockey hell right now. No meaningful hockey in the standings, in development, in spirit and pride, or in fighting through it. There's nothing to fight through anymore for the rest of the season. The roster is going to be sold, the coaches are going to be canned, the direction of the franchise is going to be changed, and there's nothing left to salvage, no one left to blame. Among the broken mirror, Henrik doesn't look the same. Rebuild is progress, improvement, and hope. This is just pathetic.

 

[Ola]

Based on Hank's words and actions, I'd say AV is playing Hank because when Hank doesn't play, Hank gets pissed off at not playing.

Come on guys, it was Hank or a guy born in Bulgaria.

We have an absolutely terrible roster. 6/12 forwards are AHL caliber. Holden is the lone vet on the blueline, Skjei a soapmore and 4 rookies. Of which 4 are offensive minded and 3 under sized. Every goal I at this level can “play” in the NHL. Gregoriev is a good goalie. But this is not a game you play a rookie keeper in. The team is tremendously out of balance. Let the team settle into the fact that we are missing the POs. Get past the deadline. Start going into a games with a mind set that we don’t have to win anything, but just play good on a shift by shift basis and keep things close instead of desperately scrambling all the time. This is a very shaky time for the roster and the kids, Hank needs to be there. He can rest more in a couple of weeks.

 

[Tob]

We are 2 weeks in, no this is not the low point lol. This is not even low. Ask EDM how they felt 2 weeks into their rebuild, it started in like what 07’? They have a much worse record then we do, ELEVEN years later.

I am starting to think that you cannot rebuild in NY, honestly. People are completely freakin out because we lose a game — that we WANT to lose. We want to lose. If we didn’t, we would have picked up some bodies off waivers. We would have picked up a back up. Traded a few 7th round pick for someone. Gorton wouldn’t have sent out an mail stating that hey, it doesn’t matter if we get into a P.O. spot by the TDL I am sending at least a couple of guys away anyway, on a team with very little depth.

Of course we are going to look like crap. You know what, we scored 4. I was positively surprised lol.

We're not going to go through an Edmonton rebuild. Gorton is not that imcompetent. Edmonton was utter trash when the started the rebuild, drafted mutliple top 3 busts, managed their assets terribly and McDavid can't even save them now. Being compared to the clown show in Edmonton or Arizona is an insult even in the current state of NYR.

 

[Ola]

Nope. Henrik, when he isn't overplayed and has a team at least trying to play defense in front of him, is still an excellent goalie in this league. Too many people on here mistake "not being able to save a team who plays no defense" for "not being a good goalie."

The only reason the team would want to trade Lundqvist is because they think he will win too many games by himself as they try to get a higher pick. As others have noted, that doesn't matter, because NTC. The ONLY way this team moves Henrik is if HE asks for it to take a shot at the Cup, and then they will do it out of respect, not out of any actual desire to move him.

What lol?

Why exactly should we expect anything more? How do you think it feels have you have been the laughing stock of the league for 8 years but you have 5 first overall picks and you are really excited before a season for the first time ever and you find out that the team still suck tremendously and isn’t even remotely close.

Do NYR fans really have the patience for a rebuild??

 

[leetch99]

We're not going to go through an Edmonton rebuild. Gorton is not that imcompetent. Edmonton was utter trash when the started the rebuild, drafted mutliple top 3 busts, managed their assets terribly and McDavid can't even save them now. Being compared to the clown show in Edmonton or Arizona is an insult even in the current state of NYR.

Gorton gave AV an extension last year around this time.....so his competence could be questioned . Question is...was it him or Sather that made that decision ?

 

[tailgunner]

that's what happens when you trade

Talbot and get nothing back
Raanta and get nothing back
Hagelin and get nothing back
Stepan and get scrubs back
Let Eric Staal walk away for free...and now he has 50 goals and counting for the Wild in the last 2 seasons

this is all on the bumbling Gorton and Sather but mostly the incompetent Gorton

 

[Ola]

We're not going to go through an Edmonton rebuild. Gorton is not that imcompetent. Edmonton was utter trash when the started the rebuild, drafted mutliple top 3 busts, managed their assets terribly and McDavid can't even save them now. Being compared to the clown show in Edmonton or Arizona is an insult even in the current state of NYR.

Why are you complaining then? I think things are going fairly well.

I would have thought that it was — much — worse if we had kept Stepan, fired AV and gone with a thight defensive coach, added a few vets and been in the 6-8 in the East range, going nowhere.

We are doing the right thing. Why are people freakin our? We have Chytil and Lias. Some kids on defense that are OK — albeit getting exposed pretty badly on the worthless team we put on the ice. We will have a shot at picking some very good talent this summer.