Player Discussion: Patrik Laine Part VII: Eliitti! - Mod Warning Post #79

[DoingItCoolKiwi]

Finnish posters on this board were probably just 1 period away from seeing some line juggling that they have been so desperate for. I am now onboard with moving players around in the top-6, although with Connor scoring tonight I can't see Maurice breaking up that line for a few games atleast.

It's very frustrating to see so much talent on 2nd line but absolutely no results. 1st line might be working but I don't think they alone are better than having 2 solid scoring lines

 

[RageQuit77]

After Arizona game, Laine's season Shooting % and career Shooting % percentage curves merge together. Someone would say "finally".

For comparison: First 16 games of Laine's career.

Naturally Sh% curve didn't mean anything over such small sample then, but now his career sample is enough big for making some conclusions about his goal scoring finesses. It IS NOT a bubble. Eye test proved that already long ago. Now stats over the sample are starting to prove it too.

Only that structural and systematic mis-utilization... uh... that makes it only harder.

 

[RageQuit77]

@ old timer Jets fans:

Did you push the panic button when Jets #13 had twice 4-games goalless streak during season '92-93...

...that ended pretty well then, after all?

EDIT: That legendary Jets rookie #13 played 22 seasons in NHL, and accidentally ended his player career to HHOF. His Career regular seasons Sh% was 15.1%. He had nowhere near as good shot as #29 has.

EDIT2: Jets #29 has full 2 seasons more left for his career than that Legendary #13 had when he made the entry to NHL... Amazing! If allowed and capable to play on his level #29 can make better career stats than the legendary #13 at 22yo if allowed to use his potential within rational and reasonable lineups.

EDIT3: A. Le Cog is good drinking and 'doing' beer. /Beer thread

 

[Trilliann]

Let it be known, that on November 11th, 2017, Laine scored a backhander from 100 feet out.

OMG I fell asleep during the 2nd intermission, and when I saw Laine had scored a backhand goal, I had to find a video ASAP... I just couldn't stop laughing after seeing that, OF COURSE his first backhand goal is from 100 feet out

 

[DaJackal]

Buff assisted on Laine's goal last night, didn't he? Is recency bias so strong that it's literally shift by shift now?

For defenders it is puck action by puck action.

 

[PhilJets]

Laine is great.

Jets are really lucky to have him.

19 yr old
6'5"

Able to pass the puck
And can shoot anymore with any kind of guns.

Wrist
Slap
Snap
deflect

And now back hand

 

[gearmex]

I was disappointed on Little i think it was in the Vegas game, Little cross in to goal and Laine on right side, Laine was right open and what he do? shoot and not very good shot at it...Just shows how ineffective this line setup is.

 

[kelsier]

Well at least the good thing is that it's not a Finnish thing anymore and that other people are starting to see the same things we've been pointing out at. Luckily there's been the powerplay unit that's helped keep Laine on the radar, otherwise this would be one abysmal sophomore year. Guess the question is, when will Maurice do something about it? This trio could be the worst second line (offensively) in the league right now. At least if it wasn't, I'd actually have to say I'd be surprised.

Now imagine Laine's rookie year goal totals if he played in the first power play unit. Would've been insane.

Anyway, if Scheifele is the go to guy in the 5 vs 5, one could say the same about Laine in the powerplay. Haven't counted but he must have scored nearly half of those goals? Even strength domination will come as he matures up and is able to play with whoever and whenever.

 

[ijuka]

I was disappointed on Little i think it was in the Vegas game, Little cross in to goal and Laine on right side, Laine was right open and what he do? shoot and not very good shot at it...Just shows how ineffective this line setup is.

It's terribly ineffective. Little wasn't finding Laine at all. Last game there was a great passing opportunity as well that he didn't even notice.

People need to stop giving Little a free pass. He's making 5mil a year and has scored 1 goal. His production overall is that of a run of the mill third liner. At this point it looks like he just wanted an extension and is now enjoying collecting his cheque while cruising around.

 

[Gurilla]

Laine is great.

Jets are really lucky to have him.

19 yr old
6'5"

Able to pass the puck
And can shoot anymore with any kind of guns.

Wrist
Slap
Snap
deflect

And now back hand

Last night's goal was hilarious. He has essentially every shot in his arsenal minus a backhand and just decided to no look back hand it from centre ice for a goal.

 

[Aggie204]

Last night's goal was hilarious. He has essentially every shot in his arsenal minus a backhand and just decided to no look back hand it from centre ice for a goal.

I think he was trying to pass it up to his buddy #27, but nonetheless it was funny. What’s even more hilarious is how people other then Laine fans get their panties in a bunch when he scores an EN.

 

[Aavco Cup]

 

[Gurilla]

Patrik Laine
P. Laine
Plaine
Plane
Plane = Jet

 

[Psych0dad]

It's very frustrating to see so much talent on 2nd line but absolutely no results. 1st line might be working but I don't think they alone are better than having 2 solid scoring lines

Yeah, at the start of this year Laine lead the league in points per game and goals per game for two months. He was the most effective player in the league. When he played with Scheifele. It elevated them both to a new level.

Then the genius coach separated them, destroyed the end of the season for Laine and same ridiculous shit has continued to this season.

Stupid is as stupid does

Just look at 3:35 left in first period. Why did Little shoot when he had an easy lane to pass to Laine who was in perfect position to shoot. Same thing happened twice in 1st. That's the stuff I am talking about when I say there is no chemistry. Little goes for the "shots on net" but his linemates are more about creating space for better opportunities.

They don't fit

 

[Duke749]

It's terribly ineffective. Little wasn't finding Laine at all. Last game there was a great passing opportunity as well that he didn't even notice.

People need to stop giving Little a free pass. He's making 5mil a year and has scored 1 goal. His production overall is that of a run of the mill third liner. At this point it looks like he just wanted an extension and is now enjoying collecting his cheque while cruising around.

Actually he is still making $4.7 million if Cap Friendly is correct.

 

[Aavco Cup]

Actually he is still making $4.7 million if Cap Friendly is correct.

Cap friendly actually shows $5M this year and last

 

[behemolari]

Yeah, at the start of this year Laine lead the league in points per game and goals per game for two months. He was the most effective player in the league. When he played with Scheifele. It elevated them both to a new level.

Then the genius coach separated them, destroyed the end of the season for Laine and same ridiculous **** has continued to this season.

Stupid is as stupid does

Just look at 3:35 left in first period. Why did Little shoot when he had an easy lane to pass to Laine who was in perfect position to shoot. Same thing happened twice in 1st. That's the stuff I am talking about when I say there is no chemistry. Little goes for the "shots on net" but his linemates are more about creating space for better opportunities.

They don't fit

There was huge deficiencies in his game he would never overcome playing with Scheifele only as he was fixing all those Laines errors so effectively. Hockey at professional level is much more than scoring and Laine has to learn all that (like everyone else), it will be good and pay well in the long run. Not ridiculous at all

I don't understand the mentality that Laine can't learn to play defensive hockey with more suitable line-mates. He needs Little for that for some reason.

Basically the mission right now for the second line is to remove their impact from the game while the first line and PP scores. We have one scoring line when we could easily have two with a simple switch. The defensive skills won't get diminished either way.

Regarding Little, people say it is so blasphemous to hold him accountable for his production. Is this really the effort of an effective second-line center in the NHL? This is where our expectations should be? Yikes.

I agree that in the future Laine will be able to carry lines more effectively, but not right now as a teenager. So why don't we wait a bit with that stuff? You want your players start doing what they do best to git real gud at it. Repetitions, repetitions, repetitions. Not "one season over here to learn this stuff" "now another season here to learn this stuff" etc.

I bet if Laine was playing goalie in the Vegas game, people would be saying how good that is for his progression. It would not be.

I got feeling he was constantly trying to give puck to Scheifele, not playing his normal game we have been used to see earlier. Not really sure it will work in NHL at all, basically what he does is get high speed from own end, then carry and dangle puck through opponent

 

[Duke749]

Cap friendly actually shows $5M this year and last

Oh ok i was looking at cap hit. Actual salary is $5. My mistake.

 

[Aavco Cup]

Oh ok i was looking at cap hit. Actual salary is $5. My mistake.

Yeah I know that but I just posted that in the interest of accuracy

 

[Duke749]

Yeah I know that but I just posted that in the interest of accuracy

All good

 

[Treskov]

Says who? I would make changes if I was the coach.

I´m glad your not.

 

[grieves]

There was huge deficiencies in his game he would never overcome playing with Scheifele only as he was fixing all those Laines errors so effectively. Hockey at professional level is much more than scoring and Laine has to learn all that (like everyone else), it will be good and pay well in the long run. Not ridiculous at all

I got feeling he was constantly trying to give puck to Scheifele, not playing his normal game we have been used to see earlier. Not really sure it will work in NHL at all, basically what he does is get high speed from own end, then carry and dangle puck through opponent

Laine is not playing his own game when with Scheifele? That's an interesting take for sure.

I would just look at the fact that Laine needs basically half the scoring chances than the average NHL player does. He scores at twice the rate. I would make damn sure that if anyone's offensive output is maximized, it is Laine's. I would also keep him focused on the defensive side as well.

But to put Laine to a line that does not work to let him work on being a shutdown player seems almost like a childish idea. Players should be doing what they do best and this team should try to be the best team it can.

And for those who want to dismiss Corsi, you should read what garret has to say about that. There may have been some confusion in some earlier analysis. Yes, there better models out there, but ignore Corsi at your own peril. It's not an exact science but if every forward on the team has a negative corsi, that is a terrible sign. We can wish this fact away but history is not going to agree with us on this one. Changes are necessary if we want to keep winning.

 

[grieves]

I´m glad your not.

Yeah, the current coach has been doing a stellar job for so many years that better to shut these blasphemers up immediately.

 

[Treskov]

Who doesn't want him replaced? Long term gain is always better than a short time accomplishment. Nevermind if you bother to look at what kind of roster he's currently sitting at, much less points and you'd be better of coaching peewees.

Good top six and mediocre bottom six? I don´t at the moment cause the team is winning. Maybe he can also develope as a man and a coach? I don´t care about past.

 

[kelsier]

Good top six and mediocre bottom six? I don´t at the moment cause the team is winning. Maybe he can also develope as a man and a coach? I don´t care about past.

Erm, you must be talking about great top 3 and average to bad bottom 9? Winning? Have you even been following the team or are you referring to the one game straight win "streak"? It really doesn't make a difference whether you fire a coach now or after the next lost game. Nevermind what comes down to Maurice evolving, I take that as a joke? None of his old bad habits seem to have taken any sort of improvement whatsoever. Also a coach suddenly taking a 180 degree turn after 20+x seasons? C'mon. You can't teach an old dog new tricks. It isn't a coincidence Maurice is chasing the most sought after record of all times as an NHL coach. To have been able to witness it first hand it doesn't leave you wonder how.

Can't blame you for being overly optimistic though. That's anyone's choice really.