Confirmed Trade: [OTT/ARI] Jakob Chychrun for 2023 1st (top 5 protected), 2024 2nd (1st if OTT make '23 ECF), and 2026 2nd round pick

[dwonger]

You could also think about it as the top 32 defencemen are #1's ect. ect. Which is logically the only really way of doing it.

I would call 25-39 1/2's.

The top 45 D's in the league would be in the top two of most teams in the league, including contenders. Chabot and Chychrun are both easily in that category.

There are more teams with no defencemen better than Chabot or Chychrun than teams that have more than one.

You are nuts. Only team I can think of with a dman not better than either of them is Arizona. Neither of them are in the top 45 dmen in the league either.

 

[Samsquanch]

You are nuts. Only team I can think of with a dman not better than either of them is Arizona. Neither of them are in the top 45 dmen in the league either.

Lol @ nuts.

It would be a nearly unanimous vote that "Yes" - Chabot and Chychrun are both top 45 defenceman in the NHL. And that's only going to become even more apparent as time goes on.

 

[dwonger]

Lol @ nuts.

It would be a nearly unanimous vote that "Yes" - Chabot and Chychrun are both top 45 defenceman in the NHL. And that's only going to become even more apparent as time goes on.

Not even close to being true at all.

 

[majormajor]

You could also think about it as the top 32 defencemen are #1's ect. ect. Which is logically the only really way of doing it.

I would call 25-39 1/2's.

The top 45 D's in the league would be in the top two of most teams in the league, including contenders. Chabot and Chychrun are both easily in that category.

There are more teams with no defencemen better than Chabot or Chychrun than teams that have more than one.

The way I think of it

"High-end #1D"/"Elite #1D": top 12 or so

#1D: top 32

#2D: 33 - 64

 

[Korpse]

Not even close to being true at all.

It would be shame if someone did a survey less than 2 weeks ago...



I think it's quite ridiculous that someone would argue that the perception is that both aren't among the top 45 in the league. Maybe a handful of people think they aren't or at least one.

 

[Silky Johnson]

You are nuts. Only team I can think of with a dman not better than either of them is Arizona. Neither of them are in the top 45 dmen in the league either.

You have a seriously minority outlier opinion. Both are very likely in the top 30 right now. By the end of next season you will likely be able to add Sanderson to that. You say they aren't in the top 45? Name 45 better....

Chabot - Chychrun - Sanderson - Zub has the potencial to be one of the best top 4's in the league.

Teams without better defencemen:
Arizona
Anaheim
Calgary
Chicago
Columbus
Edmonton
Montreal
New York Islanders
Phily
Seattle
St Louis
Toronto
Washington

 

[dwonger]

You have a seriously minority outlier opinion. Both are very likely in the top 30 right now. By the end of next season you will likely be able to add Sanderson to that. You say they aren't in the top 45? Name 45 better....

Chabot - Chychrun - Sanderson - Zub has the potencial to be one of the best top 4's in the league.

Teams without better defencemen:
Arizona
Anaheim
Calgary
Chicago
Columbus
Edmonton
Montreal
New York Islanders
Phily
Seattle
St Louis
Toronto
Washington

Actually I forgot about Montreal, the rest have at least one dman better then either of those two. Also, neither of the two are actually good at defending.

 

[ijuka]

You are nuts. Only team I can think of with a dman not better than either of them is Arizona. Neither of them are in the top 45 dmen in the league either.

Closer to top 15 than top 45, probably. You likelyoverrate how good defensemen leaguewide are in general.

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

You are nuts. Only team I can think of with a dman not better than either of them is Arizona. Neither of them are in the top 45 dmen in the league either.

Lol.

Tell me u don't watch hockey without telling me u don't watch hockey.

 

[KevinRedkey]

You are nuts. Only team I can think of with a dman not better than either of them is Arizona. Neither of them are in the top 45 dmen in the league either.

You clearly didnt think of all 32 teams then...

 

[topshelf15]

Iam just glad we will have a legit top 4 ......

 

[guyzeur]

Lol @ nuts.

It would be a nearly unanimous vote that "Yes" - Chabot and Chychrun are both top 45 defenceman in the NHL. And that's only going to become even more apparent as time goes on.

And in a couple years Mr Sanderson will join them into the top 45

 

[topshelf15]

And in a couple years Mr Sanderson will join them into the top 45

He is a weapon now...So quick so smart in the D zone,the offense will become even more evident over the next couple of years

 

[Karl Eriksson]

Sens with two top 30 D men now.

 

[DarkseidX]

Terrible trade deal, imo

 

[guyzeur]

Terrible trade deal, imo

for?

 

[Wondercarrot]

And in a couple years Mr Sanderson will join them into the top 45

How about right now.
As good as Chabot has been over the years, (this year he’s been a little off) - Sanderson may be better than him already.
Not sure about JC since I haven’t seen enough of him but Sanderson is a machine - he won’t get enough PP time behind Chabot & JC for the time being so his points won’t pop for a bit but you can see it’s all there.

 

[guyzeur]

How about right now.
As good as Chabot has been over the years, (this year he’s been a little off) - Sanderson may be better than him already.
Not sure about JC since I haven’t seen enough of him but Sanderson is a machine - he won’t get enough PP time behind Chabot & JC for the time being so his points won’t pop for a bit but you can see it’s all there.

I agree with you but for a defenseman that doesn't get a lot of PP time, it will take until end of next year to see him jump into the best 45 D

 

[BoardsofCanada]

Actually I forgot about Montreal, the rest have at least one dman better then either of those two. Also, neither of the two are actually good at defending.

Minnesota? Calen Addison? I don't think so.
St. Louis? No
Islanders? Dobson? Debatable.
Philly? No
Columbus? Werenski? Maybe
Edmonton? Nurse? I don't agree
Anaheim? Fowler? No
Pittsburgh? As good as Letang used to be, he's almost 36. I wouldn't have him ahead of Chabot or Chychrun.
Seattle? Vince Dunn? No

 

[Maurice of Orange]

Chychrun and Chabot are easily within the top 45 defenders in the NHL.

1. Cale Makar
2. Erik Karlsson
3. Adam Fox
4. Roman Josi
5. Rasmus Dahlin
6. Josh Morrissey
7. Charlie McAvoy
8. Victor Hedman
9. Miro Heiskanen
10. Quinn Hughes
11. Jaccob Slavin
12. Dougie Hamilton
13. Hampus Lindholm
14. Rasmus Andersson
15. Noah Dobson
16. Drew Doughty
17. Adam Pelech
18. Brent Burns
19. Jakob Chychrun
20. Mikhail Sergachev
21. Alex Pietrangelo
22. Vince Dunn
23. Devon Toews
24. Jacob Trouba
25. Shea Theodore
26. Filip Hronek
27. Adam Larsson
28. Chris Tanev
29. Brandon Montour
30. Kris Letang
31. Jared Spurgeon
32. MacKenzie Weegar
33. Seth Jones
34. Ryan Pulock
35. Noah Hanifin
36. Aaron Ekblad
37. Thomas Chabot
38. Colton Parayko
39. Brayden McNabb
40. Mattias Ekholm
41. Zach Werenski
42. Jonas Brodin
43. Moritz Seider
44. Justin Faulk
45. Morgan Rielly

 

[SeanMoneyHands]

I find it very hard to believe that LA couldn't beat this package from Ottawa. Chychrun>>>>>>Gavrikov.

 

[trentmccleary]

You could also think about it as the top 32 defencemen are #1's ect. ect. Which is logically the only really way of doing it.

I would call 25-39 1/2's.

The top 45 D's in the league would be in the top two of most teams in the league, including contenders. Chabot and Chychrun are both easily in that category.

There are more teams with no defencemen better than Chabot or Chychrun than teams that have more than one.

You are nuts. Only team I can think of with a dman not better than either of them is Arizona. Neither of them are in the top 45 dmen in the league either.

Actually I forgot about Montreal, the rest have at least one dman better then either of those two. Also, neither of the two are actually good at defending.

The bolded statement that you're replying to is very restrictive as written. Teams with 1 defenseman better than Chabot and Chychrun aren't counted at all.

If 6 teams don't have any d-men better than them and 5 teams have 2 d-men better than them, Silky's comment is proven correct.

Either way, they're both in the top-45. If the talent in the league were evenly spread, they would still be playing a lot and producing a lot.
Other the past 3 seasons in PPG among D-men:
Chychrun is 21st at 0.64
Chabot is 22nd at 0.63

Other the past 3 seasons in TOI among D-men:
Chabot is 2nd at 26:00
Chychrun is 26th at 23:12

 

[tkb81]

Any deal has to include Clarke or Byfield.. haha ... dude out waited the market

 

[EquivalentStay]

Not even close to being true at all.

Name 45 better. I'll wait.

 

[majormajor]

How about right now.
As good as Chabot has been over the years, (this year he’s been a little off) - Sanderson may be better than him already.
Not sure about JC since I haven’t seen enough of him but Sanderson is a machine - he won’t get enough PP time behind Chabot & JC for the time being so his points won’t pop for a bit but you can it’s all there.

We said this about him for most of last year too. I think Sanderson is better and it's because it isn't that high of a bar.