Proposal: Nylander for Weber

[Spirit of 67]

Enjoy the 9M marner and 8M nylander with a 12M matthews then. You won't fit those 3 next year

Awesome. So your solution is to trade $8M Nylander for $8M Weber?

Did you ever math?

 

[Habs Halifax]

Here, i will give you an honest plan....trade for Tanev.
Rielly-Tanev
Gardiner-Hainsey
Dermott-Zaitsev

Now, is Weber better than Tanev? Sure...but is that D+ Nylander a better team than a D with Weber minus Nylander? Yes, the difference between what Tanev will do and what Weber will do is not Nylander.

Your choice. Your team strength last year was the top 9F. I can see the offense taking a step back if you lose JVR. His goal scoring production will be missed. Your D is no better than the Habs and our D is not the greatest. You will get beat cause you back end is not good enough. Not trying to troll your team... it's an honest opinion from the outside.

Does Weber turn you into a contender? I doubt it. So this would be the reason why I would decline if I was the Leafs. Your missing parts on D are very similar to our missing parts we had at center while we were able to win 3 division titles in 5 years. We hit a wall in the playoffs. Back to back 1st round exits... you will realize it soon enough

 

[Habs Halifax]

the leafs can improve their blueline by not trading any of marner or nylander. they can get top-4 dmen in free agency

Habs can improve our team and we make the playoffs next year. What does this mean? a 1st round exit and cup pretenders.

 

[HoweHullOrr]

this will not end well

Yep. Have to wonder if that's not known before the post is created ......

 

[Habs Halifax]

I did...1st post in. Then the OP wanted to tell me why i was wrong....so i replied. I'm not knocking Weber, just that trading Nylander for him is a bad move.

I don't think it's a bad move. I just think it's not the move you need to make at this point. Weber don't bring you a cup. You have a few holes on the back end if you ask me.

 

[Spirit of 67]

Weber is a #1D. Keep trying

On Montreal, ya.

 

[SnizzNasty88]

Not even close, there isn't a single player on the Habs I'd trade Wet Willy for, and I'm a big fan of what Weber brings to a team.

 

[rent free]

Habs can improve our team and we make the playoffs next year. What does this mean? a 1st round exit and cup pretenders.

you guys just need a healthy carey price to make the playoffs. the leafs can sign defenders from free agency to help their blueline. what part of that do you not understand?

 

[Spirit of 67]

Yep. Have to wonder if that's not known before the post is created ......

You're wondering about it?

 

[rent free]

I don't think it's a bad move. I just think it's not the move you need to make at this point. Weber don't bring you a cup. You have a few holes on the back end if you ask me.

if weber doesn't bring us a cup why would we trade nylander for him then?

 

[nhlfan9191]

On Montreal, ya.

Name 30 defenceman who are realistically better then him right now. Heck, if you can name 15 who are better “right now”, I’d be very impressed.

 

[BLNY]

they would rather pay those figures for the big 3 than allocate any of that cap for weber at nearly 8 million. those numbers are quite off as well

I can see both sides of that coin, but the contract itself shouldn't be the deterrent.

If the Leafs management thought that a shutdown defender, with great net presence, the ability to cover a lack of foot speed in most cases with a very effective stick and quick thinking, along with the points, is enough to put them over I can see the situation where they might. It's not like a 30 something player with pedigree hasn't been traded for a young, all be it established young player hasn't happened before. Nylander represents something the Leafs have a lot of - skilled, fast, forwards. Weber represents something the Leafs don't have a lot of - reliable shut down defenders with a mean streak who will help the PK, be a weapon on the PP, and help play in their own end.

I can also see where the deal is far more plausible if Weber is 29-30 instead.

 

[Liferleafer]

Yep. Have to wonder if that's not known before the post is created ......

In all fairness, a Habs fan made the thread....and given what the Habs paid to acquire Weber, i get why he would ask for Nylander. Problem here is Weber doesn't hold that value to fans of other teams (not just Leafs). I would love Weber on the Leafs, i think he retires in 4 years so the contract really isn't an issue. But the offer i would make would insult Habs fans because it would be picks/futures based and i wouldn't move Liljegren. Now, before folks go off the rails about that, it's because as the OP said, we have big contracts coming up and will need those young ELC players to balance out the cap....and Liljegren is our best D prospect.

 

[HockeyDBspecialist]

the leafs can improve their blueline by not trading any of marner or nylander. they can get top-4 dmen in free agency

Actually, Orlov carried the blue linw in the stanley cup final ( if u watches the game) Carlson will get a ridiculous contract this summer and hes not on Weber level.

 

[Habs Halifax]

you guys just need a healthy carey price to make the playoffs. the leafs can sign defenders from free agency to help their blueline. what part of that do you not understand?

Both can be healthy and make the playoffs and lose in the 1st round. Leafs finish 2nd or 3rd and the Habs make it as a wild card. Same result... 1st round lost but hey, we added "improvements"

 

[rent free]

I can see both sides of that coin, but the contract itself shouldn't be the deterrent.

If the Leafs management thought that a shutdown defender, with great net presence, the ability to cover a lack of foot speed in most cases with a very effective stick and quick thinking, along with the points, is enough to put them over I can see the situation where they might. It's not like a 30 something player with pedigree hasn't been traded for a young, all be it established young player hasn't happened before. Nylander represents something the Leafs have a lot of - skilled, fast, forwards. Weber represents something the Leafs don't have a lot of - reliable shut down defenders with a mean streak who will help the PK, be a weapon on the PP, and help play in their own end.

I can also see where the deal is far more plausible if Weber is 29-30 instead.

if weber was 29-30, the habs would say no to this deal. i believe some leafs would say yes

 

[HoweHullOrr]

Yep. Have to wonder if that's not known before the post is created ......

You're wondering about it?

No, not really.

 

[Habs Halifax]

if weber doesn't bring us a cup why would we trade nylander for him then?

Not saying you should cause of the point where you are with your core. But the value is not bad. It's just not the move you should make at this point.

 

[Spirit of 67]

Name 30 defenceman who are realistically better then him right now. Heck, if you can name 15 who are better “right now”, I’d be very impressed.

Here's why I won't do it.

He wouldn't be #1 on the Leafs. You won't agree so it's pointless for me to waste my time.

 

[SHANNYPLAN]

Weber for Nylander >> Mete for Martin

You got another one?

Trying to think...

You guys don’t have many good players, do you....

 

[The Moose is Loose]

I think Weber to the leafs is more realistic than many leafs fans say. But he wouldn’t cost Nylander

 

[Sniper99]

Weber is a #1D. You don't have to like the trade offer but trolling Weber's value is something that will have back lash.

Hes still a #1 Dman, But where hes at in his career hes making too much money and his numbers are starting to decline. Cant trade a 22 year old Forward for that. Babcock can love him all he wants this trade still wouldnt happen.

 

[Liferleafer]

Name 30 defenceman who are realistically better then him right now. Heck, if you can name 15 who are better “right now”, I’d be very impressed.

Right now? Weber is coming off serious ankle surgery and not sure if he will be ready for camp, there are probably more than 15 guys better "right now".

 

[rent free]

Actually, Orlov carried the blue linw in the stanley cup final ( if u watches the game) Carlson will get a ridiculous contract this summer and hes not on Weber level.

it was orlov, niskanen and carlson, not just orlov

 

[HoweHullOrr]

Yep. Have to wonder if that's not known before the post is created ......

In all fairness, a Habs fan made the thread....

Yes, I knew this before I created my post. His logo/picture says "Montreal" on it. Obviously, fans of any club will make a post like this. No idea why someone would think otherwise.