Proposal: Nylander for Weber

[nhlfan9191]

Here's why I won't do it.

He wouldn't be #1 on the Leafs. You won't agree so it's pointless for me to waste my time.

Reilly isn’t better then Weber. Not a chance. Could he be in a couple of seasons if Weber declines, sure. Way I see it, Weber would be the perfect fit for you on the right side to pair with Reilly. A lot of Toronto fans don’t like the idea for trading for him because it would be exchanging youth for an older player whose coming into years where decline is expected. And I respect that. But to say he’s a number 1 defenceman on only Montreal is laughable.

 

[HockeyDBspecialist]

In all fairness, a Habs fan made the thread....and given what the Habs paid to acquire Weber, i get why he would ask for Nylander. Problem here is Weber doesn't hold that value to fans of other teams (not just Leafs). I would love Weber on the Leafs, i think he retires in 4 years so the contract really isn't an issue. But the offer i would make would insult Habs fans because it would be picks/futures based and i wouldn't move Liljegren. Now, before folks go off the rails about that, it's because as the OP said, we have big contracts coming up and will need those young ELC players to balance out the cap....and Liljegren is our best D prospect.

He might not for normies like us but for the GM he is worth still quite a lot

 

[nhlfan9191]

Right now? Weber is coming off serious ankle surgery and not sure if he will be ready for camp, there are probably more than 15 guys better "right now".

Name them.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Look at what you posted/I highlighted.
It's an honest question.
Who was the big salary on Washington's D? Who was the big salary on Pittsburgh's D?

Seriously, if you say stupid things, prepare to be called on it.

Sure... as a competitor fan, I would love for you to model the Caps back end to try to win a cup. Heck, why not try to model the Pens back end?

 

[Habs Halifax]

Trying to think...

You guys don’t have many good players, do you....

Yes, we are missing key players in key positions. Your comment don't bother us cause we know where we stand. Nice try Lou

 

[HockeyDBspecialist]

it was orlov, niskanen and carlson, not just orlov

You really didn't watch it well if you think Carlson carried the final.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Hes still a #1 Dman, But where hes at in his career hes making too much money and his numbers are starting to decline. Cant trade a 22 year old Forward for that. Babcock can love him all he wants this trade still wouldnt happen.

You have zero evidence of decline. In fact his age 30+ stats are on par of better than his career stats. And his salary at just under $8M is not too much money for what he is currently doing. Not saying you should make this trade but you are way off on Weber.

Trying to say Weber is declining is propaganda. There is zero evidence of it.

 

[Liferleafer]

Name them.

Anybody that's physically ready to play because the haven't had ankle surgery?

 

[rent free]

You really didn't watch it well if you think Carlson carried the final.

no one carried them to the finals. it was a team effort. it just wasn't one guy

 

[garyturner3]

I'd accept this deal with a few minor modifications:

Add 40% salary retention on Weber
Change Nylander to Gauthier

 

[Habs Halifax]

Right now? Weber is coming off serious ankle surgery and not sure if he will be ready for camp, there are probably more than 15 guys better "right now".

Nobody has been better than Weber at scoring goals. He is in a tier on his own. And his play in his own end would be very valuable to a coach like the one you got. Weber is a fringe top 10 NHL defenseman but more likely in the 10-15 range. Take your pick on this player vs this player but he is still one of the best.

Yes, he ankle surgery. It happens to a lot of players. I'd be surprised that this derails his career.

 

[Sniper99]

You have zero evidence of decline. In fact his age 30+ stats are on par of better than his career stats. And his salary at just under $8M is not too much money for what he is currently doing. Not saying you should make this trade but you are way off on Weber.

Trying to say Weber is declining is propaganda. There is zero evidence of it.

Here we go again with the propaganda ******** again. Anyways, moving along.

 

[Meeqs]

If they're moving Nylander they will be able to do far better than Weber

 

[Habs Halifax]

no one carried them to the finals. it was a team effort. it just wasn't one guy

Their best players were their best players and produced... Unlike the Leafs in the last playoffs where Pleky had more points than Matthews.

 

[shortfuze]

Just say no. Weber is a #1D. The Age gap is a issue for the Leafs for sure. No need to troll each other

I don’t think the age gap is an issue. What is an issue is giving up Nylander for him. If Montreal thinks they can get more then picks and prospects go somewhere else. Weber would the the perfect leader on the back end for the young and very sloppy defence of Toronto. He’s a leader and veteran.

 

[Morgs]

I'd literallg rather shove forks in both eyes.

 

[rent free]

Their best players were their best players and produced... Unlike the Leafs in the last playoffs where Pleky had more points than Matthews.

i highly doubt matthews will get outproduced by a 4th liner in future playoffs. if the leafs best players were their best players, they could have won the series against boston and there wouldn't be any talk of this "first round exit" business

 

[Canada4Gold]

Buffalo says yes

 

[Habs Halifax]

I don’t think the age gap is an issue. What is an issue is giving up Nylander for him. If Montreal thinks they can get more then picks and prospects go somewhere else. Weber would the the perfect leader on the back end for the young and very sloppy defence of Toronto. He’s a leader and veteran.

Weber fits more to a team that is closer to being a cup contender. Leafs have too many holes on the back end if you ask me. I think the Oilers are a better fit but I'm in no hurry myself to trade Weber.

 

[HockeyDBspecialist]

Leafs fans thinking their blue line is fine the way it is and they would only need Carlson or Tanev to solidify it.
I don't think I have ever seen a blue line as immature as the leafs, so many takeaways, etc. My proposition was because Weber is known for being a really good mentor in the league and that is exactly what the leafs need for their young blue line.

it's annoying that you get frustrated like that from a forum post, just speak without getting so angry.

 

[Captain97]

Two issues with this thread:
1. Nylander is ~10 years younger than Weber therefore the trade would never happen based on contract control.
2. Leafs fans (and have haters) are claiming Weber isn't a 1d Let alone top 15 right now is absurd. Weber's offensive stats are comparable to those of seasons past. Look at his hockeydb page and his defensive play has not declined. So the argument Weber is declining is actually a talking point with little base.

Furthermore only way Habs trade Weber to the leafs is if they go full rebuild and the package is based around liljegren + picks + cap dump.

 

[SHANNYPLAN]

Yes, we are missing key players in key positions. Your comment don't bother us cause we know where we stand. Nice try Lou

Just like we were a few years ago. Good luck

 

[pmwlker]

I’d imagine Toronto declines pretty damn fast. Keep Nylander and let the prospects develop. Isn’t Timmy L that elusive righty they seek anyway?

 

[rent free]

Leafs fans thinking their blue line is fine the way it is and they would only need Carlson or Tanev to solidify it.
I don't think I have ever seen a blue line as immature as the leafs, so many takeaways, etc. My proposition was because Weber is known for being a really good mentor in the league and that is exactly what the leafs need for their young blue line.

it's annoying that you get frustrated like that from a forum post, just speak without getting so angry.

you mean giveaways...

as i've said before, i think, weber isn't gonna make our blueline amazing so why would we trade nylander for him? its true we need to fix our defense, but trading for weber isn't a good solution because of his age/contract.

 

[rent free]

I’d imagine Toronto declines pretty damn fast. Keep Nylander and let the prospects develop. Isn’t Timmy L that elusive righty they seek anyway?

he's more of what we already have. it would be nice to get a defensive rhd to balance the pairings.