Look at pts/60 instead of pts/gm.Career 0.56 PPG (150 games) vs 0.72 PPG (343 games)
Other than Nylander is 1 month younger, how is this close?
This is the first season where Garland hasn't been held back by terrible coaching decisions.
Look at pts/60 instead of pts/gm.Career 0.56 PPG (150 games) vs 0.72 PPG (343 games)
Other than Nylander is 1 month younger, how is this close?
If you think Nylander is overpaid, you clearly are unaware of the NHL market.even after his new deal he won’t be overpaid like nylander. There is no reason for Arizona to bail Toronto out of their cap troubles. This trade would be awful for Arizona.
So what you are saying is Nylander's value should be decreased because he's good enough to be a regular fixture on one of the top scoring teams' powerplay? A team with plenty of high end offensive talent for him to beat out for that spot.
In the year that's being talked about Carl Soderberg had more powerplay production that Garland, on the same "his value should be higher than his production indicates because he plays for" Arizona Coyotes. Is Soderberg also equal value to Nylander then?
There's lots to like about Garland. He's improved every year, and his significantly less NHL experience vs Nylander can be viewed as both an asset and a detriment. An asset because his lower production years relative to Nylander are potentially just him adapting to the league. A detriment because the greatest determinant of value to NHL GMs is what you've ACTUALLY done. Garland might legitimately turn out to be as good as Nylander, maybe better, but the discussion for him having similar value is for ~2 years from now, when/if he's done it consistently for an extended period of time as Nylander has. Since his contract is expiring, that also happens to be a time when he has a new contract and isn't making "9 times" less than Nylander.
No one thinks Liljegren is worth much. Leafs fans can go on about how he's been the marlies #1 D, has become a really well rounded D, etc. That doesn't mean any NHL GM is gonna pay a top 4 dman price for him, because he hasn't done that yet. They still won't even if he gets called up and at some point has a steak of 35 games where he plays like a top 4 guy. The leafs best bet is to give him a chance to play and hope he can prove he can be that. Arizona's best bet is to re-sign Garland and hope he continues to play the way he has the last 35 games.
35 games producing like another player has for half a decade isn't enough to make them the same value, even if they are on a cheap deal... that also happens to be expiring.
Geez, Garland should fire his agent if he's equal to Nylander but getting paid half as much.
Start with Matthews. Haha
Coyotes laugh and terminate their mobile service so dubas can’t insult them ever again
And not all development is linear.Last year Nylander had more than 50% more points than Garland. No, it isn't close.
Exactly. Garland and Nylander are a lot closer to value than Kuemper and Andersen. It’s a bad deal for Arizona and they wouldn’t consider it.Not sure why the conversation here is about whether or not the Leafs should trade Garland for Nylander, when there are two other assets in the proposed deal: a valuable asset from Arizona and a cap dump from Toronto.
I think Arizona needs to add here. Does Garland have arb rights? He will probably command 5 mil per in that situation. Nylander is only owed 6 mil (actual salary) per year for the next 3 years (+ only owed $1mil in salary or so for the rest of this year), so I don't think money is as big of a deal. I also think Garland might be overproducing a bit 5 on 5 while Nylander might be underproducing a bit.
Its NOT BAD but IMO its not the right deal for the Leafs.
Pretty decent proposal tho!
Kuemper is good but too injury prone it seems... thats the kicker for me. Garland is very underrated and would be a good acquisition tho
The cap flexibility is HUGE though for TO... thats a tough thing to find nowadays
I was joking, so...We're talking about Conor Garland, not McDavid
Garland's gotten pretty damn overrated on this board it seems. New flavor of the month. He's definitely a good player, but him being equal with Nylander for 30 games doesn't make him equal to Nylander.
Until Garland is actually capable of putting up 60 point seasons, he's not on Nylander's level. Nylander is a proven 60 point winger, Garland's only on pace for 60 points this year.
Wild fan with no skin in this game and this is too light a return for Nylander by at least a high pick and prospect. And even then, I wouldn't do the deal. It would just be a more reasonable offer. IMO.
agree.. this is the kind of deal TOR SHOULD do, but won't. but from a Leafs fans POV, they'll want Matthews for Nylander.. oh wait...
seriously tho, Nylander IS a very talented player, but he's a type of player they have too much of. is Garland the one they should be using Nylander to get? not sure, but it's not HORRIBLE
and yeah, the big kicker is the goalie coming back from ARZ is on the IR more than the ice... but when he's on the ice, he's VERY good