Value of: Mike Green to EDM

[Connor]

This is one of the worst trade proposals I have ever seen. Lander, 4th liner, playing in the KHL, Yakimov, even worse, in the KHL, cap dump AHL defenceman, and 2 very likely, lower 2nd round picks.

Green should be available at this years trade deadline, but the price will have to be miles better than this!

What do you think Green is? A Norris caliber defenceman?

2017 first
conditional* 2019 second (re-sign or conference finals)
Zach Sanford
Brad Malone

for

Shattenkirk (39% retained)
Pheonix Copley

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The above is the Shattenkirk trade.

Malone was an exchanged contract to keep the same contract numbers for both teams, he had no value.

Both prospects are decent. For the sake of simplicity, lets say they're even.

So the breakdown is:

Shattenkirk as $2.592

FOR

2017 1st (Pick 27-31 in what most consider a below average draft)
2019 conditional 2nd (a 2nd rounder two years away with an unlikely re-signing or conference finals)

If we use this as a strict comparable:

A pick in the early to mid second round in a deeper draft should provide a similar player as the 1st for Shattenkirk.

A 2019 2nd is more valuable to whoever the current GM is than a 2020 2nd however the condition of reaching the conference finals is four times more likely than winning the cup.

 

[Connor]

Also, we aren't really competing in the next while, keeping a 6 million dollar defenceman doesn't make a lot of sense. Especially when we could use picks and or prospects, and he is our current best trade chip.

Green has less value than Shattenkirk hence his value would be less.

You sound like you are going to be disappointed in the return is going to fetch.

 

[Tatar Shots]

What do you think Green is? A Norris caliber defenceman?

2017 first
conditional* 2019 second (re-sign or conference finals)
Zach Sanford
Brad Malone

for

Shattenkirk (39% retained)
Pheonix Copley

-----------------------------------------------------------------------

The above is the Shattenkirk trade.

Malone was an exchanged contract to keep the same contract numbers for both teams, he had no value.

Both prospects are decent. For the sake of simplicity, lets say they're even.

So the breakdown is:

Shattenkirk as $2.592

FOR

2017 1st (Pick 27-31 in what most consider a below average draft)
2019 conditional 2nd (a 2nd rounder two years away with an unlikely re-signing or conference finals)

If we use this as a strict comparable:

A pick in the early to mid second round in a deeper draft should provide a similar player as the 1st for Shattenkirk.

A 2019 2nd is more valuable to whoever the current GM is than a 2020 2nd however the condition of reaching the conference finals is four times more likely than winning the cup.

What? Zach Sanford is more valuable than anything you included in your trade for Green and he was the secondary piece in the Shattenkirk trade. That would be like adding Caleb Jones and Jared Coreau to this trade and saying let's call it a wash.

The minimum Green would be traded for would be two 2nd round picks at the deadline. It can easily go up from there but just look at what other Dmen return at the deadline.

 

[BStinson]

Green has less value than Shattenkirk hence his value would be less.

You sound like you are going to be disappointed in the return is going to fetch.

Green will fetch a first from a contender if we are out of contention (highly probable). He's going to be one of the top defenseman rentals, therefore, that's going to drive up the costs. Brendan Smith fetched us a 3rd in 17 and 2nd in 18 and Green has been miles better.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

I can see Green fetching, With no retention 2018 2nd round pick+2019 2nd round pick or with retention a 2018 1st round pick more or less that should be fair value for him.

 

[Vancouver Canucks]

Green will fetch a first from a contender if we are out of contention (highly probable). He's going to be one of the top defenseman rentals, therefore, that's going to drive up the costs. Brendan Smith fetched us a 3rd in 17 and 2nd in 18 and Green has been miles better.

At the right time, you mean, near the trade deadline or so.

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

At the deadline he will fetch a first

Nothing more

And absolutely nothing less

Don't waste anyone's time with any other proposals

 

[Go Wings]

At the deadline he will fetch a first

Nothing more

And absolutely nothing less

Don't waste anyone's time with any other proposals

Agreed

 

[Joey Moss]

I don't get it.

I'm curious as well..

 

[tempest2i]

Lander is on the Oilers reserve list, same with Yakimov. They aren't going to be able to play this season and I don't consider them to have much value but they seem like OK shots for a team like Detroit to play for them in the near future. They also don't count against the 50 man list.

What value do you think Green has? You don't think before you type, do you?

Compare it to what Shattenkirk received and most would say Shattenkirk > Green.

Second, Detroit is currently over the cap.

Third, Detroit isn't likely to push for the playoffs while St. Louis was in a playoff spot.

As it turns out, I do think before I type. I also know that making insulting offers to other fan bases not only makes you look stupid, but also paints the entire Oilers fan base with your stupidity.

Be better.

 

[Aceboogie]

I'd give a first a next deadline if we are ready for a playoff push.

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

I'd give a first a next deadline if we are ready for a playoff push.

see

now this is a smart poster

 

[ChaoticOrange]

I'd give a first a next deadline if we are ready for a playoff push.

I would pass, I think. Unless we're primed to go on a deep run. And even then, isn't Green mostly a powerplay producer?

Our powerplay is already very good. I'm not sure spending an asset like a 1st rounder to fortify an area we're already strong in makes sense.

A defensive centre/faceoffs specialist? Now you've got my attention.

 

[Chayos]

I'd give a first a next deadline if we are ready for a playoff push.

I would also give up a first for Green at this next deadline, but it would be 2019, not 2018. 2018 draft is looking deep and fits our core age group still. We won't get a usable play from the 2019 draft until 2021 or later, so we can afford to move that to make this group better now.

 

[HisNoodliness]

I would also give up a first for Green at this next deadline, but it would be 2019, not 2018. 2018 draft is looking deep and fits our core age group still. We won't get a usable play from the 2019 draft until 2021 or later, so we can afford to move that to make this group better now.

I'd prefer 2018, but, depending on what other offers were received, a 2019 first could get it done. I might prefer a 2018 2nd and 2019 2nd though and see if we can turn a collection of 2-4 2nds into a first (we already have 2 2nds this year so a 3rd 2nd and a 2019 2nd is a pretty enticing package).

 

[TFHockey]

I would pass, I think. Unless we're primed to go on a deep run. And even then, isn't Green mostly a powerplay producer?

Our powerplay is already very good. I'm not sure spending an asset like a 1st rounder to fortify an area we're already strong in makes sense.

A defensive centre/faceoffs specialist? Now you've got my attention.

Would you think a conditional 2nd, becoming a 1st if Edmonton makes it to the finals?

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Would you think a conditional 2nd, becoming a 1st if Edmonton makes it to the finals?

I think I might do that.

With the condition that the 1st/2nd rounder can be 2018 or 2019 if Edmonton doesn't make the finals (so we can still find faceoff help). Just don't want to be frozen not being able to move the 1st OR the 2nd.

 

[TFHockey]

I think I might do that.

With the condition that the 1st/2nd rounder can be 2018 or 2019 if Edmonton doesn't make the finals (so we can still find faceoff help). Just don't want to be frozen not being able to move the 1st OR the 2nd.

Yeah, that was the idea, a bit of flexibility with the year and the round the pick is in. It's worth a 1st if we get to the SCF.

 

[Vatican Roulette]

I would pass, I think. Unless we're primed to go on a deep run. And even then, isn't Green mostly a powerplay producer?

Our powerplay is already very good. I'm not sure spending an asset like a 1st rounder to fortify an area we're already strong in makes sense.

A defensive centre/faceoffs specialist? Now you've got my attention.

10 out of 36 came on the PP.

https://www.hockey-reference.com/players/g/greenmi03.html

He's also a top 4 quality defenseman, meaning he's not at all a liability on the defensive side.

 

[victor]

10 out of 36 came on the PP.

https://www.hockey-reference.com/players/g/greenmi03.html

He's also a top 4 quality defenseman, meaning he's not at all a liability on the defensive side.

Edmonton has it's top 4 signed long term, which means he would be a rental.

Given how young Edmonton's team is (average age > 25.5, best players between 20-25,) I'm not sure that the best play for them would be to move a late 1st for a single year rental.

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

Edmonton has it's top 4 signed long term, which means he would be a rental.

Given how young Edmonton's team is (average age > 25.5, best players between 20-25,) I'm not sure that the best play for them would be to move a late 1st for a single year rental.

fair enough

but somebody will

mike green will be the best available dman or player this coming trade deadline

 

[Vatican Roulette]

Edmonton has it's top 4 signed long term, which means he would be a rental.

Given how young Edmonton's team is (average age > 25.5, best players between 20-25,) I'm not sure that the best play for them would be to move a late 1st for a single year rental.

Wasn't commenting on Edmontons needs, just stating what he is. He hasn't been one-dimensional in Detroit at all.

If Edmonton doesn't want to trade for him, I'm not upset, and I understand.

 

[victor]

fair enough

but somebody will

mike green will be the best available dman or player this coming trade deadline

Yep, he's a great player, and if a team believes that he's the final piece that they need, could see them paying high picks + good prospects.

 

[Oddbob]

What do you think Green is? A Norris caliber defenceman?

2017 first
conditional* 2019 second (re-sign or conference finals)
Zach Sanford
Brad Malone

for

Shattenkirk (39% retained)
Pheonix Copley

-----------------------------------------------------------------------

The above is the Shattenkirk trade.

Malone was an exchanged contract to keep the same contract numbers for both teams, he had no value.

Both prospects are decent. For the sake of simplicity, lets say they're even.

So the breakdown is:

Shattenkirk as $2.592

FOR

2017 1st (Pick 27-31 in what most consider a below average draft)
2019 conditional 2nd (a 2nd rounder two years away with an unlikely re-signing or conference finals)

If we use this as a strict comparable:

A pick in the early to mid second round in a deeper draft should provide a similar player as the 1st for Shattenkirk.

A 2019 2nd is more valuable to whoever the current GM is than a 2020 2nd however the condition of reaching the conference finals is four times more likely than winning the cup.

Who do you think Green is? A 7th defense, AHL fodder d-man??? Defenceman always get more than you think they would at the deadline, UFA or not, and there won't be many great defenceman available. Injuries will hit, some of the contending teams, and they will pay, at the very least a late 1st rounder, or perhaps two early second rounders.

Detroit wouldn't take a pail of garbage, like you proposed, they would simply keep Green, if your proposal is the best thing available, which it won't be.

 

[Oddbob]

What? Zach Sanford is more valuable than anything you included in your trade for Green and he was the secondary piece in the Shattenkirk trade. That would be like adding Caleb Jones and Jared Coreau to this trade and saying let's call it a wash.

The minimum Green would be traded for would be two 2nd round picks at the deadline. It can easily go up from there but just look at what other Dmen return at the deadline.

What is so great about Caleb Jones, he was a 3rd or 4th rounder, and will likely be nothing more than a 5 or 6 defenceman. If you are lucky, he may be higher, but the chances are, he will be that or less. Every single team, has guys like that, that they hope pan out, and most don't.